Favorite Names: Why We Love What We Love

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Most people, name aficionados and ordinary citizens alike, have favorite names.  My own favorites are often the subject of  professional curiosity, with interviewers asking what my favorite names are and why.

The whats are easy: Eliza has long been my favorite girls’ name, and Joseph my favorite name for boys.

But the whys are more complicated.

I decided I loved the name Eliza after a college friend whose taste I admired proclaimed Eliza her favorite name.  She knew a gorgeous girl named Eliza, and felt it combined the best of vintage charm and modern quirkiness.

I agreed, but what’s really remarkable about my love for Eliza is how long and how much it’s survived.  In the decades since it became my favorite, I’ve named three children (none of them, alas, Eliza, as my husband dislikes the name) and coauthored ten baby-naming books, along with developing this site.  I’ve talked to thousands of parents about their name tastes, and developed more sophisticated tastes of my own.

And yet my love for Eliza survives.  It still feels to me like a perfectly balanced name, with its alternating vowels and consonants, its melange of hard and soft sounds with a streamlined minimum of letters.  I love the way it calls up the images of both a Jane Austen heroine and a Broadway dancer, with the plucky Eliza Doolittle in between.  It’s become more popular in recent years — thanks partly, I know, to how energetically we’ve championed it — and I feel a pang of jealousy whenever I meet a little Eliza.  And yet it hasn’t become over-exposed and probably never will.

The reasons I love Joseph are very different.  It was my dear dad’s name, and my grandfather’s name, and I got to use it for my own older son.  I love the simple good-guy nickname Joe.  Down-to-earth, straightforward names for boys appeal to a deep-seated preference of mine, undoubtedly rooted in my love for my dad.

My other favorite boys’ name, Tom, is further evidence of this.  And Thomas and Joseph feel like similar names to me, too: classic yet soft in their final sounds, slightly out of step with current styles, yet not decidely UNfashionable, the way a name like Gary or Myron may be.

It’s interesting that only one of my three children has a name that’s a personal favorite.  My husband overruled me, as I said, on Eliza for our daughter, and also nixed another favorite, Susannah, on the grounds that his cousin was named Susie.  Our final choice, Rory, was based more on qualities we wanted in a name and for our child — Irish and energetic — than on the name being a favorite.

When we found out that our second child was going to be a boy, I said his name was going to be Joseph and that was final, and in return said my husband could choose any middle name he wanted.  His pick: Leopold, after an ancestor who fought in the Civil War.  I was horrified in the hospital, but the name has grown on me.

For our second son, Tom was out as it’s my husband’s brother’s name, but we agreed on Edward, to be called Ned.  That time, as I’ve written here before, our two older kids overruled us, and that’s how we ended up with Owen.

I still have a diary that lists the names that were my favorites when I was a child: Sandy and Susie for girls, Michael and Matt for boys.  In recent years, I’ll go through phases of favoring certain names: Bridget, Maeve, Juliet, Jasper, Omar.

Why?  Sometimes a favorite is attached to a person I care about, such as my grandmother Bridget or my friend in London Maeve.  Or I may fancy a name chosen by someone I know who has a lot of style: Antonia is one I’d put in this category.  Sometimes it’s simply the sound, like the O in Omar or the oolya in Juliet, that appeals, the same way I like the taste of raspberry more than strawberry, prefer orange clothes to pink.  And sometimes I find myself loving a name and not having any idea why.

What are your favorite names and why?

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Holly Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 1:19 am

I absolutely adore the name, it makes me think of an adorable little boy with brown hair and green eyes who’s so very noble and honest (but not so much so) and honourable, like a knight

susan Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 2:10 am

I love the name Peter. It is perfectly balanced with a “t” holding it together in the middle. The two “e’s” on either side of the “t” are very symmetrical but the big “P” tips the whole word a bit toward the left! The “r” is like a strong little tugboat that pulls Peter to the right. Almost the whole time we were expecting our first baby, we never wavered from naming him Peter if her were a boy, and he was.
We named our daughter Laura, a name I liked rather than loved. My husband adored the name, and I found that within a couple of months I loved it, too.
Also love the name Catherine because it makes me think of a pink cake. Too bad Katherine has been so popular. But I suspect if I could have another daughter, that I might name her Catherine or Veronica. But Veronica is so different than Catherine. Catherine reminds me of the sedate Jane Austen and Veronica is more like a wild and stormy night.
Also love Philip because it means “lover of horses”. So gentlemanly!

Elizabeth Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 2:59 am

Right now one of the names I am liking is Tempest Madeline. Tempest means Storm and Madeline means High Tower. So, together they mean a High Tower in a Storm, like safe refuge. I think they sound good together, too.

Kelsey Rose Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 6:06 am

Great entry, I love all your childrens names!

For girls I love the names;
Serafina. I came across this name and fell in love. I love names that have their own nicknames. And this name has plenty. I also love spelling it with the ‘F’ instead of the ‘PH’ to show my italian background.

For a boy I have a few names I can’t decide from;
First I love Camden with the middle name Julius. This he can be: Camden, Cam or CJ. Next I love the name Wesley, I love the nickname Wes! Lastly Marcus. I love how this is an older strong name, yet not often used today. And the nickname Marc is amazing! 🙂

Stacy Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 6:28 am

I adore Edward with a nickname of Ned and have gotten my husband to agree to that nickname if we ever use Edward (probably not likely, but still.) Ned was what my great-grandfather went by, although it was actually his initials. And unfortunately, my mother named one of her dogs Ned.

I have loved the name Mariel for ages and ages. Unfortunately, my husband has vetoed it as he can’t stand it.

I also really like Lora — only spelled this way — and it’s also been vetoed.

Meanwhile, my husband is a huge fan of Morgan for a boy or a girl, which I’m lukewarm on. I’ll use it as a middle name, but not a first.

Another of my long-lasting favorites has been Nicolas. I love the cleanness of that spelling and it’s such a nice name. Somehow it hasn’t made it into the running for potential names, although we always agree we like it.

We have agreed on Katharina, though, as an elaboration on one of his favorites, Katherine.

caitalinna Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 6:57 am

Carys and Pauline are my favorite names for girls as they are close to the names Carol and Paul, my beloved parents. I also love Marielle- the sound of itn the way it looks and the possibility of Elle as a nickname. I also love what most might consider “out there names like Doutzen and Behati for girls. For boys I don’t really know why I like what I like (Dechlan, Julian, Ethan, Jack, Henry). But if I had a boy today I know for sure its middle name would Paul and the first name Chapman, also after my parents 🙂

stella Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 8:57 am

I have loved Audrey for Audrey Hepburn of course, who someone said I resembled as a feverish 12 year old. Aurora for my grandmother. The current favorite is Avalon, which manages to honor my partner’s father (Lonnie) while being modern and feminine. Searcher for a boy, it brings to mind a contemplative adventurer. I saw it on a road sign once, identifying a river.

ricamaca Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 9:21 am

I LOVE Adeline. It is my beloved grandmother’s middle name and has already been declared the middle name of our future daughter (if we’re blessed with one). The name itself is graceful, but yet spunky.

Kem Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 10:03 am

I’m a big fan of literary or song names. I love the idea of being able to read or sing to my child and having their name be in the work. Therefore some of my favorites are Matilda (Matilda), Theodore (Little Women), and Jude (Hey Jude)

Barbara Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 10:37 am

I’ve been crazy in love with “Elizabeth” for years. I like a lot of the nicknames for it, but I think that, for me, the whole connection with both English queens (I adore them both) gives it a sense of style and class. I’m fond of “Janet” at present–it’s my dear grandmother’s name, and has a fairy tale ring from “Tam Lin.” I can’t think of a boys’ name I’m utterly in love with, though I like James a lot, and Josiah.

Kelley Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 11:18 am

I fell in love with “Sanne” after discovering the singer, Sanne Salomonsen. My husband wouldn’t go for it though.

I also loved “Noelle” after taking care of my aunt and uncle’s foster child who had this name. She was adorable and I was hooked on the name. I got to use it as a middle name for my daughter, Juliette Noelle. 🙂

Kristine Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

I am also a huge fan of literary names (specifically Harry Potter ones…). So I am in love with the name Lily (Harry’s mom). The popularity doesn’t bug me (I’ve only met two Lilies) but it is just so beautiful; I love saying it! I also love Henry, from The Time Traveler’s Wife. I fell in love with the character and then the name. I love Tonks, too, from Harry Potter. It is Nymphadora’s surname but I think it just fits as a middle name for most of my names. I also like Harry, for obvious reasons (and Hermione and Ronald/Ron). Not from books, I absolutely ADORE Ethan. I came across it about two years ago in a name book and it stuck with me. Also Lela. I’ve known a Lela for four years, now, and I’ve always envied her for having that awesome, awesome name. She’s one of my favorite people!

Kat Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

We just had a daughter August 24th and named her Zoe. It was absolutely not what we thought we would name her. But when she came out we had to re-think our choices.

She was not a Susannah or a Samantha – my and my husband’s favorites, respectively. We went back to some earlier ideas, Zoe being among them.

Zoe makes me think of a beautiful flower growing up through the snow. Life emerging in spite of the starkness and barren landscape of winter. Zoe also happens to mean “life” in Greek. It was a spunky, resilient, tough yet feminine name. All the qualities she had exhibited in and out of the womb. It was perfect and it’s now our favorite name.

haleynoelle Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

My favorite boys’ name is also Tom! In fact, my sister also loves that name and was furious with me when we told her it was our top pick if we had a boy. (We didn’t, but she did relinquish the name to me, so its still our pick for our first son.)
The other boys’ name that I love is Roger. I love the Mad Men vibe of it, and think it would be so cute on a little boy.
My daughter’s name is Phoebe. I think it is the perfect name. Classical, but not common. Not obscure, but not too trendy. Most people like it, but many don’t use it because of the built-in deterrent of the odd spelling (which we have had almost no problems with.)
The girls’ name that I have always loved, but will never use, is Caroline. I think it is the epitome of class, timelessness, and good taste. Unfortunately, it is very popular in the South, where we live. But that is the name, like your Eliza, that I have loved forever, while other names have come and gone.

violetsmom Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

I am such a name fan and always thinking about names, therefore my favorites are always changing. Ever since my daughter Violet was born I’ve been constantly thinking about the runner-ups I might have named her. I noticed I’m a big nature name fan:
Willow
Serena
Jade
Autumn

EvanescenceDolly Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

My favorite girls name as of now is Jane Magnolia. Jane for Jane Austen and Jane Bennet and Magnolia because I used to sit under a big magnolia tree as a child.

I’m not sure on boys names, I like Arthur, Vincent, Victor and Simon.

Lisa Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

For boys:

Frank and Joe are my favorites, with Frank having the slight momentary edge. Reason? Both could be newspaper-men with ink-stained fingers circa 1940, Senators wheeling and dealing in the cloak room circa ’59, or bartenders at pretty much any point in American history. I’m a history buff and a self-proclaimed nostalgist.

For girls:

Ruth is in first at the moment, with Margaret (Meg) as a not-so-close second. Like Frank and Joe, they come with the gift of time travel, but – unlike many other classic girls names – they don’t try too hard like some of the more romantic, Victorian names. These are the women who worked the factory line with Rosie the Riveter. They’re smart and savvy, but they aren’t royalty, and they aren’t CEOs-in-training. Ruth was also the name of my grandmother, and because of her, the name conjures up images of a very strong, outspoken, hard-working woman.

Vera Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 9:15 pm

Favorite names of all time? Mae, Eve, and Odarka. Maeve and Odarka are my daughters middle names.

Sachiko Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

SAKURA has been one of my favorite girl names since I was very small.

We named four babies before Sakura came along. All the other kids have Japanese names, too, but I put them in the nice, safe middle. I wasn’t sure how people would take something fairly exotic to American ears.

They love it! I get so many compliments on her first name, Sakura, and her nickname, Suki.

I had a hard time settling on names for the other children, but Suki’s full name–Sakura LouJean–rings perfect to me.

It’s got the exotic front and then a nice, solid, cozy family name in the middle (LouJean is a childless aunt my husband and I adore, and she was genuinely touched to have a baby named after her–I’d do it again in a heartbeat).

I’ve read a lot of baby name books and often the author will discourage ethnic juxtapositions, often with a sneer. Which I think is strange; if you’re that hidebound about naming, then why bother with a naming book? Find the SSA Top Ten and please yourself with the commonest names. For myself, I’ve found I love that quirky juxtaposition, and it’s a fast way to “memorable and unique”.

Other favorites: Seraphina, Mercy, and Marydove.

Jill Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

Eliza is one of my favorites, too, and I started loving it due to Audrey Hepburn’s elegance in My Fair Lady. I also love it because it’s a classic I don’t hear every single day.

Rose: This has been one of my top 5 names since I was about 3-years-old, and I love it not only because of the flower, but because I associate it with Rose Wilder on Little House on the Prairie, which I loved growing up. I also have good associations with the name, because it’s been a nickname of mine since childhood.

Anne/Annabelle: I named my favorite doll Anne when I was about two, and the name has stood the test of time for me. I love Anne’s elegant simplicity, and its associations with Annie and Anne of Green Gables. Every Anne I’ve ever known has been bright and spunky. (I started loving Annabelle when I was about 10, and I still do, despite its popularity.)

Edward: A family name, I’ve always loved it, not only due to my associations with the name, but because I love the nickname Teddy.

Henry: I love its classic roots and pioneer feel.

Devon Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

I have loved the name Alistair for AGES with Ali as a nickname. I love the way it sounds, the way it looks, everything about it. I don’t know what I would use for a middle name, probably Edward since it is my brother’s, dad’s and grandfather’s middle name and my great grandfather’s first name. Or Harry since both of my husband’s grandfather’s names are/were Harry. I’m also loving William Henry for a boy. William is my uncle’s and grandfather’s name and Henry is one of the aforementioned hubby’s grandfather’s actual name. William is super popular, but my uncle is one of the most amazing men I have ever met and I love it’s regality and strength.

For a girl, I’m always flipping back and forth. Imogen is the only name I’ve loved consistently although my husband say a big N-O. I love saying it, spelling it and love how it’s not common in North America at all! Right now I love Isla Anne (Anne after my mother, Corbin Isobel (after a great aunt Isabella), Camden Johnston (my middle name, which is my grandmother’s maiden name) and Townsend Elizabeth (after my aunt and great grandmother) for girls. The only one my husband likes is Isla, but he doesn’t like Anne. We are going to have A LOT of discussions once we have a baby!!

sarah Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

Since moving to Canada from Britain I realised that I have had to consider names in a different way- accent, as we found when we named one of our dogs Clara. I say it with a long arrr and my husband says it so that it rhymes with my name which makes things quite confusing. The same problem with Tara, Cara and Carrie, or anything with lots of extended vowels and r’s.

Now I have developed a dislike for certain names long held dear as they just don’t have the same ring or feel when spoken differently (as well as being puzzling when said in multiple ways to the individual) and I am going to plunder my name list ruthlessly to have a makeover of what works and what doesn’t.

Nickelle Says:

September 8th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

Many names come and go in my affections, and I’m always thinking about what a future child might be called. I really love “old man chic” for boys; names like Noah, Milo, Dexter, and Oscar. Something about these names is very appealing to me. They just have the right FEEL to me. Plus, I can see them being adorable on a toddler or child, distinguished and respectable as an adult, and appropriate for old men dandling their own grandkids on their knees. And if I ever have a son he will definitely have Michael for a middle name, in honour of a man who was a driving force in my life, there for me when I felt like nobody else was. His love and support were always a constant in my life. For that reason I have always thought Michael was a beautiful name. I always thought I might use it as a first name but it’s so overused, and there are so many other wonderful names as well I finally decided to use it for a mn for my first son.

As for girls my current favorites are Amelia, Olivia, Daisy, and Hazel. They all sound lovely on children but with the ability to age well and they’re all so sweet and airy sounding; effervescent almost. They all make me picture warm, sunny days. And Daisy always makes me see fields of white and yellow flowers. As for girl’s middle names, I seem to have a very short list that has stuck with me through all the times I’ve changed my mind about first names. Anne, Grace, Rose, and Jane. Short, lovely, simple and a little old fashioned. Sometimes I like Violet or Kate, too but other than that my girls list of mn’s rarely strays from that short list.

Jenmb Says:

September 9th, 2009 at 12:01 am

My two favorite girl’s names are Melody and Hillary. I just love the way they sound and I just love saying the names. But for reasons I’m not even sure of, I wouldn’t give my daughter either name.

For boys I love the name Joseph as well. If it wasn’t for the inevitable nicknames (I’m just not a fan of Joe or Joey), it would definitely be on my list.

Smismar Says:

September 9th, 2009 at 12:20 am

My long-running favorite for girls is Vivian. Classic and classy, yet spunky with the nickname Vivi. Alas, my husband vetoed it, so our daughter was named my second choice Sylvia. Still just as classy as Vivian, but missing a little of that “edge” IMO. If we ever have another girl, I’m going to campaign for Miriam (Miri or Mimi). Other top choices are Genevieve, Lydia, Tabitha, and Linnea.

My favorite for the boys is Malcolm. Classic and strong without being over-used and played-out. If we have a boy, I hope I can convince my husband to agree to it. I also like Calvin, Douglas, Simon, Elias, and Desmond.

Lucy Says:

September 9th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

I have also loved the name Eliza for many years. My fondness for the name also stems from seeing the film ‘My Fair Lady’ as a child. I love Eliza as it seems so classic but also has spirit and a sense of humour too.
I have also loved Cecily (my DD2’s name) for years, after seeing a performance of ‘The Importance of Being Earnest’.

Boston Girl Says:

September 9th, 2009 at 7:12 pm

Here are my favorites, in no particular order after the first one for both genders:

Boys: Christian, Adam, Peter, Nicholas. These are the only ones I’d consider naming a son (that is, the name he would go by). My middle-name choices are a little more extensive: Stephen/Steven/Stefan, Paul, Patrick, Gregory.

Girls: Susina, Cindy, Jenny, Susan, Toni, Julie/Julianna, Skye, Kari. Middle names are a much murkier territory here, and there are so many I can’t list them all, but many of them start with J, K, L or S.

Why do I like them? I don’t know if I can explain that. I do know that Christian is my favorite boys’ name solely because of the sound, and because to me it seems fresher and more up-to-date than Christopher (which I also like). I am not the least bit religious; I just really like the sound of the name. And I picked Susina because it sounds like a really unusual, but not impossible, variant on Susan, a perennial favorite of mine. I was a Girl Scout lo these many years ago, and for a while there was a girl in my troop whose last name was Susina. I fell in love with it right then and there, and it’s grown on me as I’ve gotten older.

Generally I like names that have staying power and don’t fall heavily out of favor just because they’re not popular at the moment or were big when I was a child (apparently a huge stigma against most of my favorite names). Giving my child a name I like, but that most others shun because it’s “passé”, will pretty much guarantee that he or she won’t be confused with half a dozen future classmates! 🙂

Emz does London Says:

September 12th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

My favourite names change a lot, but the one that’s always stuck with me is Cora. I’ve loved it for years. I first heard it in the film Last of the Mohicans; I was about ten when I saw it (yes, I know it’s an 18 certificate in the UK and that’s probably why I’m so disturbed 😛 ). I’ve been trying to give it a rest lately as I’m worried it might start to sound stale, but man I love that name.

Catherine Says:

September 19th, 2009 at 8:37 am

My two favourite names for years have been Madeleine Marie (my favourite grandmother is Mary) for a girl and Peregrine for a boy – they are both French in origin (as I have a French last name) but still are common and easily pronounced in English plus they both sound great with my firstborn, Stephanie. Madeleine (but it NEEDS the “eine” ending, Madeline just looks unfinished to me) for Madeleine L’Engle and Peregrine because I love the meaning “Pilgrim, Seeker, Quester”. Not sure about a middle name for Peregrine..maybe David for my dad.

Karen Says:

September 20th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

My favorites for as long as I can remember are Sara and Daniel. My very first favorite name was Sally (after Charlie Brown’s little sister) before I even knew it was a nickname for Sarah, and Sarah was a girl I babysat for 3 years and was very sad when her family moved away. My tastes changed so broadly over my life (from Bernadette to Skye to Melissa to Hazel to Wendy to Yona to Kyla to Bryn to Genevieve to Eloise) and I still am fond of plenty of names for girls but it really comes down to a reflection on how well I think of my own name. I like that it’s common, easy to spell and say, not a lot of “options” (which I admit is a chance one takes) for nicknames including the option to ignore that option because you want everyone to say all four syllables/spell all 12 letters of your name every time or you’ll cringe. I like Sarah, prefer Sara – it’s efficient and classic and nice in a “be anything you want to be” kind of way rather than prescriptive, associative; it is debatably boring, however, I can think of at least 10 other names immediately that live on the same plane that I find absolutely uncharming in comparison. Sarah/Sara is an unexciting blank slate kind of name that I like, without what I would categorize as a quality so plain it describes how plain it is. To me, this balance makes a high quallity serviceable name throughout life. A few other names that possess this quality (for me) seem to be trapped in time capsules, unfortunately. This doesn’t deter me – often the coolest people I’ve met in life have a name that’s a good 20 or 30 years older, instead of about 100, than they are.

Re: Daniel. People hate on the tiger (from Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood/Land of Make Believe), but I always loved how timid and childlike he is. I don’t really know anyone with this name, surprisingly, I mean there’s always one around somewhere, but by far more Mikes and Bobs, so it’s fairly safe territory within family and friends to choose it and still be original and not worry about copycatting and settling for a lesser name, a close-enough name. I can’t really remember when I realized it was my favorite name. I didn’t spend a lot of time growing up concentrating on boys’ names, because I chose names for myself to play as, or to dream of being someone else temporarily, and not so much for babies. Whenever I did make those lists, they were shorter, and included a list of absolutely-nots, some of which have lately appealed to me despite having disliked them with intensity througout my teens and twenties.

Anyway, to love a name that long, it must be love and not a passing fancy for sure. You’d at least know you weren’t going to get tired of it or discouraged by its popularity.

Jessi Says:

September 27th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

I always seem to love names that I can connect with someone I know, mostly someone I think it amazingly cool. My idol when I was about three or four was a girl named Ivy so therefore it was my favorite. In middle school the “popular girl” was Brooke so that name became my favorite. My camp counselor for two years in a row was named Erin and she was practically my best friend so Erin was then my favorite name. My best friend in college was Allison, so again, that was my favorite. Likewise, in high school the weird outcast girl was named Courtney so she ruined that name for me. If I have never met a girl with a particular name, I will never be able to like (or hate) the name.

chakrateeze Says:

December 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 am

As a child I spent a lot of time w/ my grandparents and my great-aunt Ruth, listening to enchanting old stories. As an adolescent, I’d stay up way past my bedtime so I could watch old black & white movies. A teenager, I mooned over Cary Grant when my friends were plastering posters of Duran Duran on their bedroom walls. (I’m now more into Bogey, but Cary still has a place in my heart.)

Is it any wonder I like “vintage” names?

crazynamegirl Says:

March 1st, 2011 at 9:25 pm

As for boy’s names, Tristan, Claudius, and Magnus are my favorites. I think they sound sort of classic (I guess they’re kind of old manish) but a bit unexpected (I know Tristan is in the top 100, but it is not at all popular where I live). Magnus sounds cool; Tristan and Claudius sound nice. For girls, my taste changes VERY often, but my current favorites are Ottavia and Arcelia. They are very unique, but simple enough to be easy to live with. Like my boy choices, they sound classic but they kind of aren’t.

Mary Says:

March 6th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

I like names that have a special meaning to me.

Alexander nn Xander – My favourite character from Buffy
Abigail nn Abbie – The name of my sister’s favourite kelly
Theodore – Teddy Altman from Young Avengers, my favourite Skrull/Kree hybrid from MArvel
Beatrix – Trixie Belden, Beatrix Potter and kinder Bellatrix rolled into one

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