Communication breakdown over names! Any advice?
by debs on Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:34 am
My dear husband and I usually communicate fairly well, but when it comes to naming our first, we are short circuiting! I realized this early on and haven't broached the subject for a while, but I'm now over 38 weeks and all my name books have to be returned to the library today - lol!
My approach was to research and make a broad list of my likes. I showed him the list and in under five seconds crossed out almost all of my pics and made a not-interested-face at the rest. I was hurt by this and it made me feel frustrated. My hormones have been rampant and when I try to explain how I want him to keep an open mind, I want to cry. Not the best negotiation technique in my repotoire.
I asked him to make some suggestions of names that he likes. He gave me his maternal grandfather's name. His mother is also named after her father. We all also have his maternal grandfather's last name (another story). I LOVE this grandfather but don't want my child to have both of his names. Otherwise, he has provided one girl's name and one boy's name, both of which are very popular and a bit bland (top 10 and top 25 respectively). He has latched onto these like a life preserver.
Last night, I asked if we could talk about it again. Instead of discussion or even considering my names he tries to strike a deal. He said, "If it's a girl, you can have S-, if it's a boy, I get B-". I'm so annoyed that he hasn't even LOOKED at my favourites, let alone considered them. Also, by providing only one choice for me, I am forced to either accept or reject with no room for movement or compromise. I also said that he isn't being fair, I'm the one carrying the baby, and that I already have his last name (to which he responded that that was my choice - LOL!). I asked him to be ready to talk about it soon but with an open mind. FYI, I have narrowed my favs to 3 girl names and 5 boy names and have made up a spreadsheet with all of their relevant stats and info (I KNOW - I'm a nerd. But if I can't talk about it, I needed to get the info down SOMEWHERE so that I don't explode!)
Any ideas on how to handle this? I need help fast, because I think I just lost my mucus plug an hour and half ago. :)
Deb
Re: Communication breakdown over names! Any advice?
by gwensmom on Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:00 am
I can understand your frustration! Someone here on another thread suggested a bracket idea, which I thought was clever. I think it was orangesunrise, but I'm not completely sure. I'll try to remember what it was but hopefully she'll see this thread and fill in anything I missed. I thought it may appeal to you like your spreadsheet of stats does :)
Each of you write down a certain number of names you like, say 6, and exchange lists. You then take his list and write down names that are similar but better in your opinion for each of his picks. He does the same with your list. Then you make a bracket and discuss each name pair on its own, the pros and cons, etc. The winner moves to the next round. Each of you does have to have an open mind, but it's less intimidating than scouring over endless lists and books since it's direct competition between two names at a time.
Good luck!
Re: Communication breakdown over names! Any advice?
by susan on Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:39 am
It would be fair if you got more say on one name and then he got more say on the other name. For example you would get to pick the first name and he could pick the middle name. Then when you have another baby, you could switch. I don't suggest this method for every couple, but I think it's a good idea for your scenario. And I love Gwensmom's idea so much - the bracket idea. But I'm not sure your husband would want to do all that.
This is how my husband and I handled naming our kids - he helped me choose the first name of our son. Then I picked my son's middle name completely on my own. My husband chose our daugher's name, and I chose to let him do that because it made me happy that he cared so much about it. I chose her middle name, and we both loved it. We still love all their names.
Of course it was really hard at times because I would come up with a list of names that I loved, and he would veto all of them! I felt really bad. But I really wanted him to love our kids' names so I just kept trying to figure out names that he loved and that I loved, too.
One way you can be sure to include a name you really love in your child's name is to have two middle names.
Re: Communication breakdown over names! Any advice?
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pam on Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:07 am
That sounds very frustrating -- and all too familiar! There is advice on dealing with name disagreements on nameberry -- http://nameberry.com/blog/how-couples-can-work-out-name-disagreements/ -- but I'm afraid much of it requires that you start the discussion much earlier. What would happen if you just cross the names off HIS list as absolutely as he crossed those off your list? It seems like you do a lot of research and build a strong case for your picks, and then he rejects them without discussion, but then he offers a few basic picks and you feel like you have to take them seriously.
I love the brackets idea but I agree, doesn't seem like he's going to go for this one. His idea that one of you get absolute control depending on gender seems like one that might work for you EXCEPT it feels centered on his choosing the boys' name i.e. his grandfather's name, which feels to be at the heart of this whole issue.
Maybe that should be your starting point? Finding out from him whether and why it's so important to him to name a son after his grandfather? Maybe then you can come up with some alternatives that would honor his grandfather in a way that satisfies him but that you also like.
And if you have a girl, seems like he's fine with you making the 100 percent choice. You might like him to get involved and be part of the decision, but maybe in this instance you should take control and run with it!
Re: Communication breakdown over names! Any advice?
by sloppyart on Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:47 pm
I just wanted to sympathize--my husband has been TERRIBLE about discussing names with me this pregnancy, so I've had to tiptoe around the subject that I most want to analyze steadily in detail, the subject that obsesses me most (I feel lucky for folks at nameberry). Also to say maybe when your baby is born he will come round to wanting to discuss names for him/her, so keep your list in your head. Don't be in any hurry to choose a name, if you can help it. Worst case scenario he/she goes down as "baby x" (or whatever they put down) until you file the proper paperwork.
Good luck, and keep us posted! I'm 36 weeks along myself and not sure what we will call ours yet, either.
Re: Communication breakdown over names! Any advice?
by mummyto3 on Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:18 pm
I do sympathise with you! I think your husband is fairly representative of a lot of men and you are fairly representative of a lot of women. My husband and I had lots of naming battles on all three occasions! We are from different countries/ cultures and have v different taste. Like you, I made lots of suggestions, wrote lists, looked at books, websites, etc. He refused to discuss until I was at least 6 months and then came up with only 1 or 2 names on each occasion (for our second DD it was a re-hash of the names from DD1)! We found out the sex each time to make things easier and eventually, we managed to compromise. With our third child, we only decided on the name when she was 2 weeks old! I have to admit that he certainly did compromise although it was all fairly last minute which made me quite stressed!
Good luck- I am sure you will come to a happy compromise :)
Re: Communication breakdown over names! Any advice?
by danal on Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:40 pm
I'm in the same boat too, except that my husband doesn't have strong feelings in favor of any name. He just vetoes my list, and then one day will say he's "ok" with a certain name, only to say its out a few days later. But he never brings up the subject - I leave notes for him with the list, and then I have to ask him about it. He'll look at the note and ponder a bit, but not say anything. Then I e-mail him a list with instructions: please veto the names you don't like. no response. A week later, I ask, and get a limited response - like saying no to one name, probably no to another, and ignoring the rest. I'm four weeks out, so I think we may be making a final decision after the baby comes which is okay - I'm tired of this myself, and if its a girl, we do have a name for her! He was much easier on that one.
Re: Communication breakdown over names! Any advice?
by scarlettsmom on Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:57 pm
I like Pam's suggestion - why is he insisting on his grandfather's names despite the fact that he's clearly already been honored by other family members (if I read your post right)??? Were you aware of this tradition before you got pregnant? He might have assumed that you would just go along with it if you never voiced an opinion on it before.
At any rate, I hope he realizes that you both need to feel good about what you name your children and is willing to discuss it with you. Good luck!
Re: Communication breakdown over names! Any advice?
by rollo on Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:10 am
Grrrrr Men!
I would be a drama queen by now. I would be insisting on my choice if it is a girl and he can choose the second name if it is a boy.
Sorry, I am no help at all but you have my sympathy vote.
Re: Communication breakdown over names! Any advice?
by mummyto3 on Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:56 am
Was thinking about this again. Definitely stick to your guns and don't be 'bullied' into accepting his one choice. He has to discuss it so that you are both as happy as possible with the choice. I do think the woman should have the final say though- after all she has to carry the baby and push it out :)