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  1. #6
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    Re: Very Cool Tool to determine if "those are not real names"

    Oh, wow, it's actually more than slightly unnerving that you can buy a report on a person (criminal records etc).

    The Oxford has frenemy listed as a portmanteau of friend and enemy which can refer to either an enemy disguised as a friend or a partner who is simultaneously a competitor.

    Like Wendy, Thelma was also a literary invention. So was Mavis (Chaucer).

  2. #8
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    Re: Very Cool Tool to determine if "those are not real names"

    alexandramae, it was a 2009 addition to merriam-webster.

    All my favorite names are made-up. Just a really, really, REALLY long time ago, in most cases.
    One little born 1/14

  3. #10
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    Re: Very Cool Tool to determine if "those are not real names"

    Quote Originally Posted by yellow
    All names were "made up" at some point. All language was just "made up." That's why they keep adding words to the dictionary - like frenemy ;)

    Also, just because someone has a name doesn't mean it's not "made up" (by most peoples' standards... i.e. "newly created," like Abcde and Laquisha). Wendy was "made up" for Peter Pan, and I bet you'll find a lot of Wendys on Intelius!
    I disagree that everything is made up at some point. Language developed with the human species- people learned to use sounds to communicate. Words and language developed out of that. It was a slow development- no one sat down and said, "Okay, so this stuff is going to be called water, this stuff is going to be called dirt, and I'm going to be called Bob." The vast majority of names and words that we have are simply built upon words that are already in existence. This building is the reason we have language families- Romance languages are not the same, but because the all come from the same root, they share plenty of similarities (for example, the French "un" and the Spanish "uno"). They were not made up. They simply branched out of what was already in existence, going back all the way to the dawn of language. Frenemy is a combination of the words "friend" and "enemy"- words that have been in use for hundreds of years and whose etymology goes back thousands. Few names are totally made up. Kaylee, for example, is often called a made up name, but when you break it down to Kay and Lee, you get two names that have been in existence for quite a long time. They have simply been smushed together. This is a development of names and language, not people randomly making up names.

  4. #12
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    Re: Very Cool Tool to determine if "those are not real names"

    Well, duh ;)

    In your digression you've missed the point of my post, but that's okay. Hopefully it will be new information for someone else who is reading :)

    So by that logic, if a name like Kaylee (kay + lee) should not be regarded as "made up," what should? Random mashups of letters that have never been associated with one another before in any language, dead or still in use? That sounds like something that would be difficult enough to "make up" (without sounding insane: "Meet my daughter, Siuaehcg") that we should applaud the ingenuity required for such a task, rather than be annoyed at the fact that it's "made up."

    I get a lot of "that's a made up name" around here, from people who simply have never heard the name before and are not aware of its origins. I think it's ridiculous. My only point is that the fact that a name isn't found in your run-of-the-mill name book should not be a reason to discount it. If it works, it works... who cares if anyone's heard it before. That should be a plus, says I.

    Of course, if someone's seriously going to name their kid Siuaehcg, we may have something legitimate to be annoyed about.
    One little born 1/14

  5. #14
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    Re: Very Cool Tool to determine if "those are not real names"

    I'm not arguing that there are no made-up names out there (Abcde would certainly qualify) only that they are few and far between. Mash-ups, in my opinion, aren't made-up, only smushed together. No one would ever say Maryrose is made up, so Kaylee should be governed by the same rule. Random names put together from sound, not composed of other names and lacking etymological history of any kind, are "made up" in my opinion. And I'm all for unique names- just nothing totally random, like Siuaehcg.

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