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    So Far In They're Out... Please HELP with this chapter!!!

    Hi, I recently purchased 'Beyond Ava and Aiden'. Wonderful book! But need some help with this chapter.... I really like a lot of these names on this 'So Far in They're Out' chapter, probably how the names got there. :) But what do the authors mean by this list? Will people now STOP using mega popular names like Emma, Claire, Olivia, etc... so they'll become less trendy and sound fresher again? Or else is it believed these names will remain mega popular? Thanks!!!!

    Really confused. Anyone who owns this book and can help, please do!!!

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    Re: So Far In They're Out... Please HELP with this chapter!!!

    I interpret this to mean that those names are SO popular that Pam and Linda don't recommend using them if you're looking to remain "ahead of the curve", and that giving your child one of those names will probably mean giving them a lifetime of "sharing" their name with loads of classmates.

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    Re: So Far In They're Out... Please HELP with this chapter!!!

    I second Rica. :-)

    I think that Pam and Linda are saying that the names in this chapter are presently so popular ("in") that they've lost their appeal and are no longer considered stylish (they're "out.")

    In pointing out which names are overused and trendy, I've always assumed that Pam and Linda are attempting to guide people away from such names and direct them towards less popular and more stylish options.

    I don't view their motive as trying to help the names feel fresh again, but rather as trying to help baby namers become aware of what's presently in or out.

    Even if everyone stops using every name on the list today, I think it will still take a long, long time for the names to feel fresh again because they've been so overused, many to the point of becoming dated (associated with a certain point in time).

    Take care!

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    Re: So Far In They're Out... Please HELP with this chapter!!!

    Names that are so far in, they're out are names that have been popular for a while that no longer sound interesting, if you are looking for something different. We don't need another Emily - while it is still a pretty name. I know some small children named Jennifer *still*. 25 years since it was last the most popular name, it is still in the top 100.

    Some names feel bound to a period of time, and although some parents still choose it and it remains popular, it is possible within your own community, its time has passed - it's OUT. The name Brittany seemed original once, and then if you were on the end of the trend, there were still a lot of Brittanys (and alt-spellings), but you missed the opportunity to choose the name while it was still kind of nifty. My name - I was surprised to find out this name, Karen, sounds like it's from the 1950s, as I think it is very 60s/70s - in reality it built up over 3 decades to that point and then fell out of favor again. It peaked in 1965, in fact, so I was named a name that was so far in it was already on its way down when I was born, and used increasingly for 30-odd years prior - really a lot of other Karens older than myself and very few younger, which makes it a really good example.

    Names like Zachary and Jonathan on the boys side might still sound current to people who don't otherwise discuss these issues (and probably loved these names since their school days, when they had peers with these names), but they had their heyday more than a decade ago each - that doesn't stop them from having enough popularity now to swim with their peers, but they ring kind of "late 80s/ early 90s" which made them so far in, and now they are out.

    Imagine a clothing style that you admire in a magazine, and by the time you get around to buying it, it's on the clearance rack. Nice attractive price, you buy it. Plenty of people still wear it, but that doesn't mean you will see it in a magazine or get complimented on having a unique style or setting trends, or being hip, with it, even though you saved money and don't look too out of place - but someone might say "that's so last year." Copying what everyone else does is not fashion - so to some people, this makes the name OUT.

    It is better to find a name that hasn't become very popular yet - some people are threatened at all if a name might become too popular and overused. They want the name to ever remain somewhat special. However, this may not be predictable, so it's more fashionable to be on the early side, in the know, do your research.

    I doubt Emma will hold the rank as long as Emily - it is similar to a shorter period (11 of 13 years following Jennifer's reign) when Jessica held the top spot as a consolation to Jennifer, battling closely with Ashley as tastes started to change, and then Emily just took it away.

    In 1980 - Ashley was at #40, and Emily at #31. By 1985, Ashley was #2, Jennifer was #3, and Emily had gone up to "only" #24. Probably the best time to use it.

    By 1990, Jennifer was #8 and Emily was #12. By 1995, Jennifer was #18 and Emily was #3. After being #1 for 12 years, Emily has been overtaken by Emma last year. After Jessica left #1/2, it dropped down very fast to find Jennifer.

    I think the "so far in, it's out" has a lot to do with how long a name has been popular, in addition to how popular it is. I don't think Emily will retake the top spot as it's been used for a few decades longer than Emma. In 1980, when Emily was at #31, Emma was at #417, so has only beaten a path to the top because it sounds close to Emily "but different." When Emily goes, so will follow Emma, maybe not immediately, but it's going. Even though it's #1 right now, this is a predictable pattern.

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