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  1. #1
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    So many white babies...

    It's no secret that Nameberry has a problem with a lack of diversity. I had some free time, and decided to make my point by SHOWING what the issue is. This has been brought to your attention numerous times, and each time you say you will try harder, and maybe you do, for a couple of days, but you can do so much better.

    The last time the lack of diversity on this website was brought to your attention (that I could find) was August 7. *Here*

    Let's take a look and see how it's gone.

    On the main page of the website there are 7 photos of children. Of those 7, 100% of them are white. One of them doesn't count, because I'm assuming it's a photo of the family in the blog, so 6 out of 7 could have been a child from any race, and you chose white.

    The babies on the list/name of the day:

    cool user list:
    white

    girls' name of the day:
    white

    list of the day:
    white

    unusual name of the day:
    white

    boys' name of the day:
    white

    today's most popular names:
    white

    Are you seeing a trend?

    Forums:

    baby names:
    white

    girl baby names:
    white

    boy baby names:
    white

    talk about baby names:
    white

    momberries:
    hard to tell, looks white

    sibling names:
    brown!

    baby name games:
    white

    celebrity baby names:
    white

    everything but names:
    white

    baby announcements:
    white

    Now let's look at the blog photos, and see how it's gone for the last two months.

    Not counting photos that are relevant to the blog itself, there were 17 photos in September that could have been a photo of any child in the world. Of those 17: 11 are white, 2 are white dolls, 1 is a drawing of white children, 1 is a clip art image of several children (they're not all white!), and 2 photos are of children of color. Of the two that weren't white children, one of them was a blog entry on Buddhism-Inspired names, which leaves one image that could have been a picture of anything or anyone and a child of color was picked.

    How about August? Better, and shows that the request in the beginning of August did help. Of the 16 blog entries that could have been a photo of anything/one, 8 were photos of white children, 1 was a drawing of white children, 1 was a white doll, 1 was a photo of lots of babies (two children of color), and 5 were photos of children of color, including Willow Smith in the O names blog entry.

    We can do better! So do better. Don't try, DO.
    Considering...
    Cordelia Eilonwy Snow ● Evadne Winifred Snow ● Gwendolen Isabeau Fawn ● Lorelei Nimue Ondine
    Pandora Vivienne Swan ● Thisbe Octavia Wildrose ● Thora Polaris Fey

    ●●● ●●● ●●●
    Caspian Ithuriel Wilder ● Damian Rainer Sparrow ● Evander Ithuriel Sol
    Gwydion Alaric Hart ● Malachi Tristan Bjorn ● Phineas Robin Blaise ● Theodore Peregrine Llyr

    our furbabies: Sebastian & Oleander

  2. #3
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    I don't get why this such big deal. I barely noticed. And for the record, I m mixed race, having one black parent and one white parent. My y skin is brown. It doesn't bother me that there are mostly white babies on here, it's not like they're implying anything about other colored people. am I the only one not bothered by y this?

    I just personally think there are more important things to work on than the photos used

  3. #5
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    Theodora, I'd certainly never tell you how you should or shouldn't feel about something, but I'd also hope you respect other viewpoints and understand that just because it's no big deal to you doesn't mean it isn't a big deal. It's a big deal to me, and it's a big deal to a great many people in the world. It makes me very sad to think we live in a world where this is so normal, people think it's no biggie.

    It's important to honor diversity because the world is made up of many different people, and those differences should be celebrated. We should never ignore a problem because some people say it's no big deal. There have been myriad studies done on the topic, and all studies conclude that it is harmful to everyone, to the whole of society when we refuse to acknowledge race issues.

    I don't think Pam or Linda or whoever chooses the photos is trying to imply anything at all. I think it's unintentional, and they're going to have to make an intentional effort to change if that's what they choose to do. I know how difficult it is to find good stock images of people of color. I'm an artist, and always looking for good stock images, so I'm well aware. They're out there, but there are so many stock images of white people that it's easier to just pick the photo of the white person. I get that.

    One of the stock images that used a white child was for a blog on steampunk names, and I imagine finding a white child in steampunk gear was a lot easier to find; the photo wasn't picked because the little girl was white, it was picked because it fit the theme and why keep looking if you already found a photo, right? Sure, fine, as long as all the other times when all you need is a picture of a cute baby, you pick a photo of a cute baby of color. It's only noticeable when almost all of the cute baby photos as well as all of the themed photos are white children.

    I talked this over with my SO tonight and he suggested changing some of the static stock photos, the images used in the forums or the lists/names of the day. I think that's a fantastic and easily done answer to the problem. You only have to find a photo once with those, since they never change.

    Pam, Linda, whoever is in charge, I hope I'm not coming off confrontational. I've just noticed over the years that it's been brought to your attention, or people have brought the issue up here and there, and it hasn't received the response it should have received.

    I believe every single person on this planet is responsible for making the world a better place. The big stuff is overwhelming, and we can often feel powerless to make any change, which is why the little stuff (like photos on a website about names) that is in our power is so important. It empowers us, and sometimes the ripples in the world are even more important than the Big Deal Things. Always, always try to do better, to make the world better.
    Considering...
    Cordelia Eilonwy Snow ● Evadne Winifred Snow ● Gwendolen Isabeau Fawn ● Lorelei Nimue Ondine
    Pandora Vivienne Swan ● Thisbe Octavia Wildrose ● Thora Polaris Fey

    ●●● ●●● ●●●
    Caspian Ithuriel Wilder ● Damian Rainer Sparrow ● Evander Ithuriel Sol
    Gwydion Alaric Hart ● Malachi Tristan Bjorn ● Phineas Robin Blaise ● Theodore Peregrine Llyr

    our furbabies: Sebastian & Oleander

  4. #7
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    I'm as white as anyone could possibly be, and it's a big deal to me too. Because I believe it subtley (or not so subtley) reinforces the idea that white is the 'default' and anything that is not white is unusual - minorities always tend to stand out more in society because they are more unusual, whatever sort of minority that might be.

    It is very, very easy for a lot of white people in the Western world to ignore racial minorities because so much in our society and culture really helps us to do so, and if people don't make a conscious effort to get a clue, it's the simplest thing in the world to internalise all kinds of things which ultimately skew the way we see reality. Which probably won't make you (by 'you' I mean myself, and other white people) a bad person, but it does make you blind to your own privilege and accept things as 'natural' or 'normal' which are actually not natural or normal at all. White = default is the path of least resistance, which is a problem. I have a lot of internalised rubbish from growing up white and privileged, some of which I have later been able to identify and counter in myself, I do my best but privilege is very often invisible to those who have it - you don't even notice a lot of things until someone points it out to you. We all still need to be constantly challenged on these issues so we can keep improving.

    This is a very small thing that can be done to help people realise that there is no default colour. It's not the biggest deal in the world, no, but it's a great point and improving on this matter would do good, and also do no harm, so there's absolutely no reason not to do it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by redwoodfey View Post
    Theodora, I'd certainly never tell you how you should or shouldn't feel about something, but I'd also hope you respect other viewpoints and understand that just because it's no big deal to you doesn't mean it isn't a big deal. It's a big deal to me, and it's a big deal to a great many people in the world. It makes me very sad to think we live in a world where this is so normal, people think it's no biggie.

    It's important to honor diversity because the world is made up of many different people, and those differences should be celebrated. We should never ignore a problem because some people say it's no big deal. There have been myriad studies done on the topic, and all studies conclude that it is harmful to everyone, to the whole of society when we refuse to acknowledge race issues.

    I don't think Pam or Linda or whoever chooses the photos is trying to imply anything at all. I think it's unintentional, and they're going to have to make an intentional effort to change if that's what they choose to do. I know how difficult it is to find good stock images of people of color. I'm an artist, and always looking for good stock images, so I'm well aware. They're out there, but there are so many stock images of white people that it's easier to just pick the photo of the white person. I get that.

    One of the stock images that used a white child was for a blog on steampunk names, and I imagine finding a white child in steampunk gear was a lot easier to find; the photo wasn't picked because the little girl was white, it was picked because it fit the theme and why keep looking if you already found a photo, right? Sure, fine, as long as all the other times when all you need is a picture of a cute baby, you pick a photo of a cute baby of color. It's only noticeable when almost all of the cute baby photos as well as all of the themed photos are white children.

    I talked this over with my SO tonight and he suggested changing some of the static stock photos, the images used in the forums or the lists/names of the day. I think that's a fantastic and easily done answer to the problem. You only have to find a photo once with those, since they never change.

    Pam, Linda, whoever is in charge, I hope I'm not coming off confrontational. I've just noticed over the years that it's been brought to your attention, or people have brought the issue up here and there, and it hasn't received the response it should have received.

    I believe every single person on this planet is responsible for making the world a better place. The big stuff is overwhelming, and we can often feel powerless to make any change, which is why the little stuff (like photos on a website about names) that is in our power is so important. It empowers us, and sometimes the ripples in the world are even more important than the Big Deal Things. Always, always try to do better, to make the world better.


    I couldn't agree with you more! Also, I'd love to see more blogs on cultures, rather than the same few topics regurgitated over and over in different formats. There's only so many times in a year I can be asked about my guilty pleasure names, or my favourite vintage choices.
    Girls: Doris ❀ Amelia ❀ Freya ❀ Martha ❀ Violet ❀ Lauren ❀ Mabel ❀ Lillian ❀ Minnie ❀ Honey ❀ Emily
    Amelie ❀ Daisy ❀ Florence ❀ Imogen ❀ Edna ❀ Eleanor ❀ Eva ❀ Evelyn ❀ Clara


    Boys: Matthew ✿ Louis ✿ Ernest ✿ Christopher ✿ Barclay ✿ Adam ✿ Andrew
    Charlie ✿ Harrison ✿ Daniel ✿ Joshua ✿ James ✿ Thomas ✿ Henry


    ~no matter what anybody tells you, words and ideas can change the world~

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