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May 28th, 2013 12:42 AM #11Senior Member
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Thanks for the replies everyone!
@dindlee- I understand what you mean about in a situation like this, finding a name that works good in both languages is perhaps more important than the meaning. I'm just so picky. I like the idea of interpreting 'stern' more in the vein of 'firm', I'll have to see if I can convince myself to do that.
@ottilie- I've always pronounced Aurelio as aw-ray-lee-o (and renrose's link also seems to be closer to the aw-ray-lee-o pronunciation), but looking around the internet, it seems like aw-ree-lee-o is another way to pronounce it.
I haven't actually read the whole Oisin story, but I'm definitely going to. It might make or break this name for me (possibly). All the knowledge I have about it was gleaned from reading Wikipedia.
I never even thought about the similarity of Enoch to eunuch. You may have single-handily convinced me to take this name off the list.
@renrose- Thanks for the link!
@blade- I do really like the name and meaning of Sorin, but as far as I can tell (from two or three resources) the pronunciation is more like sor-een (as opposed to Soren's 'sor-in'). That 'een' sound at the end is not so nice to my ear (makes it sound like Maureen or something).
@mischa- Ha! Sore n' Lucky. Thanks for pointing that out! It does make it sound like two word names bunched together. I'll have to reflect a bit more about how much that bothers me.
@tfzol- If we did have another son, it would make it hard, if we have this 'rui' thing going on. We definitely plan on stopping after two kids (but sometimes plans don't always work out as you hope). There are other potential options with an unlikely third kid (like naming him 'ruikai' and then having 'kai' in his "english" name (like Caius), and then though his english name wouldn't have the 'rui' in it, he'd still be called pretty much the same thing in both languages).
As far as the Chinese name that goes with Soren, there were a few options we found, all starting with the character 硕 (shuo). I can't recall the other characters at the moment, but they were ones with the pinyin of ren and lin (霖 I think).
We have considered some Bo names. Bowen was a possibility for awhile, I just don't love it so much. Boman was also a possibility for awhile, but I think it's pronunciation in Persian is way different than Boman (I think it's often spelled as 'Bahman'), it also might meaning something like 'farmer' in Swedish, but I also don't know how it's pronounced (and I don't think it's actually used as a name in Sweden either). The 'men' character in Chinese also doesn't really lend itself to good names, as far as I understand. Bolan is another that we considered (means 'little poet' in Irish, and would easily have some Chinese name options), but it just sounds so much like a modified version of Nolan to my ear, makes it hard for me to commit to Bolan (it is still floating around the possibility list though).
@marsy- Nice to see another person who appreciated Amias as much as I do! It is a stellar name!
@annie- Thanks for the thoughts! I appreciate them!Updated Name List- http://www.ebabynames.com/list/eff115- Vote away...
May 28th, 2013 01:10 AM #13
I can't decide whether I prefer Aurelio or Oisin in first place! I like them both, and one of them would be my first choice from these four.
Aurelio--Aurelio looks so handsome and well-balanced written out, and sounds so melodious, I'm getting quite fond of it. I like all the forms of this name--Aurel, Aurelian, Aurelio, Aurelius--but this form gets you to Leo.
I actually like the shared 'ray' sound in Rayhan and Aurelio. It isn't at all obvious when you see the names written; it's the first syllable of Rayhan and the second syllable of Aurelio, and the names aren't at all matchy; so it actually functions as a nice link between the two names. The repeating L sounds in Aurelio Lucky aren't bothering me, either.
Oisin--I really like this legendary, romantic Irish name. "Little deer" may not be terribly meaningful, but it is a pleasant meaning, evocative of a fawn on a green Irish hillside. I do have to get past the fact that the spelling reminds me of "raisin," even though I know how to pronounce it correctly.
Soren--I like Soren but don't love it. I feel it's just a wee bit bland, as though it's missing something. I have the same feeling about a few other 2-syllable, N-ending names, like Aspen and Aiden. But I'm beginning to be able to appreciate the boon of finding a name that works in both English and Chinese! I also like the idea of changing the spelling to Sorin to get a better meaning.
Enoch--I like this name, but not with ln Lucky. Enoch Lucky is awkward to say, with the word "cluck" right in the middle. The middle name would break it up, but most people are seldom, if ever, introduced by more than their first and last name.
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May 28th, 2013 02:48 AM #15
Soren and Rayhan look and sound great together; these two just compliment each other so well. Soren may mean stern with Scandinavian roots, but it really gives me a feeling of a hero, or affiliations with the sky (soaring), which are both really positive. Besides, stern may not just mean "serious", but could mean "strong" or hard to push around. To be honest, I think Soren works so much better than your top 4, though Rayhan and Jasper go well together as well. You could even spell Soren as Sorehn to make it match better with Rayhan, but that's only a suggestion. Nicknames for Soren could be Sora (further connotations to the sky) or Ren, though I prefer Ren next to Ray.
I love Soren so much! But then again, I'm a huge fan of Scandinavian names, being Swedish and a Norse mythology nut.aurora- autumn- ashwyn- bambi- bernadette- calliope- emmalou- henriette- indigo- ione- january- lark- leela- llewellyn- lydia- marnie- molly- narnia- noelle- oralee- penelope- philomena- rain- raven- roxy- ruby- snow- tessa- thora- waverly- willow- winter- wren- zoe | abel- aesop- angus- banjo- bartholomew- bear- bruce- burkley- darwin- elliot- finn- flynn- foster- henry- indigo - knox - laszlo - lyle - navy - nemo - noah - otis - oakley - rainn - thatcher - thomas - thompson - titus - zen
May 28th, 2013 05:27 AM #17
Just an afterthought, but you mentioned that your wife is Naxi. I know very little about the Naxi, except for their interesting writing system and kinship/ marriage system... But do you think that any one of these names (or any of the others) might somehow be able to bring in her Naxi culture? Or maybe you could do that on the Chinese name side... would any of the Chinese names be able to incorporate Naxi culture slightly better? Btw, you should check out the Bollywood film "Fanaa"... there are 2 Rehans... I think of that every time you say Rayhan.
I would still vote against Aurelio, if the 3rd would be named Caius... I know you don't plan for a 3rd, but both my bro and sister planned for 2 and each ended up with 3. So, it's a possibility. Caius and Aurelio wouldn't fit with Rayhan at all. Aurelio has such an Old World feel, as does Caius... but then Rayhan is quite Eastern... If you can be sure that you are only having 2, then Aurelio would be ok...INTJ Anthropologist Living in the centre of China, married to a Persian, and just enjoying a completely unpredictable life
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May 28th, 2013 11:05 AM #19Senior Member
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@aurora- Thanks for the in-depth reply! I always really appreciate your feedback. I hadn't before noticed the 'cluck' sound in Enoch Luckey, now that you point it out I hear it every time I say the names together. Enoch is gone. So many positive responses for Oisin are getting me to reflect deeper on that one.
@livia- I'm trying really hard to convince my mind to unreservedly accept Soren's 'stern' meaning as something more like 'firm'. If I can get to that point, Soren's potential usage will definitely greatly increase. I do like it, and I agree that it pairs up with Rayhan really well, better than most other options.
@tf- The girl's name we have picked out has very direct ties to the Naxi culture (we don't know if we're having a boy or a girl) (Mayna 美纳 uses one character from my home culture and one from hers). The Naxi culture is traditionally very connected to nature-related stuff (traditional ancient Naxi religion has a lot of nature-worship, quite similar to some Native American traditions), which is a subtle connection I like about Jasper (but his Chinese name, if we go with Jasper, won't likely have Naxi connections). Rayhan's name also connects to nature in several ways (in Persian and Sanskrit, Rayhan means 'flower of paradise' or 'sweet smelling herb', in Chinese 瑞晗 is a combination of characters for 'a good sign' and 'dawn'--- both have nature connections and nice meanings). So, nature related names are a bonus, though not a necessity (my wife and her family really have very little connection to the nature-related elements on their culture, the traditional religion of the Naxi doesn't play a significant role in modern day Naxi culture much anymore), Oh, and one thing, that kinship/marriage system your talking about isn't actually a Naxi thing, it's a Mosuo thing. In the ethnic minority classification system of China, the Naxi and Mosuo people are bunched together, but I really have no idea why (perhaps because the Mosuo people are a small ethnic group), they are actually very different cultures with very different roots (the Naxi's were originally nomads who started in Northwest China (Inner Mongolia region) went down to Tibet (where they stayed for a long time) and eventually moved into Yunnan from Tibet, where they remain).
I'll have to check out Fanaa, I'm curious whether Rehan is pronounced the same as Rayhan.
Thanks for your thoughts about Aurelio/Rayhan/Caius combo, I definitely see what your saying. Other 'ray' names I know of that I like (like Rainier) would sound too similar to Rayhan to be usable, I think (looks like I may need to do a bit of research to see if there are any other names with a 'rui' (or even 'ry' or 'ree' or something at least somewhat close) sound in it that wouldn't be too matchy with Rayhan or Aurelio. I know it could happen, but the chances of a third boy coming would be so slight, it's a little hard for me to cut a name out of the running on the very slight off-chance it happens. But it's definitely something I'll need to reflect on more.
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