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    Those of you who watch Game of Thrones, do you also find the name theme, or rather lack of, irking?

    At first I thought perhaps it was due to each region having certain names, but that doesn't seem to answer it either.
    Catelyn annoys me to no end, but I wrote that up to her being from a different region, especially with her sister being Eliza. However, Catelyn and Eliza in a sibset is also unfitting.

    Then there's Cersei, Jaime, and Tyrion...with Cersei and Jaime being twins. That one drives me mad.

    It just seems like a big bunch of disconnect when their is a Brandon and Sansa in the same sibset. I don't know, perhaps I'm just overly obsessed with names.

    Daenerys and Viserys fit well imo though.
    Last edited by east93; April 13th, 2013 at 11:39 PM. Reason: Clarification purposes
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    I completely agree with you about Catelyn, though I should point out that her sister's name is Lysa, not Eliza. That actually makes it worse in my opinion. Here's what I said about Catelyn on another thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by geeknamezyo View Post
    And Catelyn really, really bothers me. At least Brandon kind of sounds like it belongs in a fantasy series. But Catelyn? No. Sounds like a stereotypically vapid sorority girl born in the nineties (no offense to the Katelyn/Catelyn/Caitlins of the world.) And if it's pronounced cat-lin, why the E? I just don't get it.
    So yeah. I get where you're coming from. That said, the mixing of mundane and fantastical names is fairly common in the fantasy genre: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AerithAndBob

    So I guess Catelyn is the only one that really irks me. For some reason I have no problem with Jaime.
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    Catelyn's sister is Lysa, not Eliza. I think Catelyn and Lysa sound nice together. I don't understand why Catelyn annoys you. Is it the spelling, you just don't like the name, something else? Add their brother Edmure to the mix and I think all three make a nice sib set.

    Catelyn, Lysa, and Edmure Tully. I think it has a nice ring to it.

    EDITED TO ADD: Catelyn is pronounced Cat-lyn. I think the e is there because it looks better? That would be my guess. Catelyn is called Cat as a nickname a lot and I don't think that's weird or anything.

    I don't see a problem with Cersei, Jaime and Tyrion either. Do you not think Jaime is as "exotic" enough to go with the other two? I think it fits fine.

    I think the only house that really has a theme would be House Targaryen. They tend to favor -ae together and tend to use a lot of -y's: Daenerya, Rhaegar, Viserys, Visenya, Rhaena, Daena, Elaena, Aegon, Jaehaerys, etc. And I love it. For a fantasy book/tv show, not necessarily in real life.

    I do see a slight similarity with Brandon and Sansa, but it's just the "an" sound which isn't really a brother because Sansa is usually pronounced more like "Sahn-sa" especially with the actors' accents if that makes any sense. I have noticed the Starks having probably the most "normal" names. Eddard, Brandon, William, Jon, Robb, etc.

    Personally I think George R. R. Martin did a pretty amazing job at coming up with 5,000+ names for characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alyssa897 View Post
    Catelyn's sister is Lysa, not Eliza. I think Catelyn and Lysa sound nice together. I don't understand why Catelyn annoys you. Is it the spelling, you just don't like the name, something else? Add their brother Edmure to the mix and I think all three make a nice sib set.

    Catelyn, Lysa, and Edmure Tully. I think it has a nice ring to it.

    EDITED TO ADD: Catelyn is pronounced Cat-lyn. I think the e is there because it looks better? That would be my guess. Catelyn is called Cat as a nickname a lot and I don't think that's weird or anything.

    I don't see a problem with Cersei, Jaime and Tyrion either. Do you not think Jaime is as "exotic" enough to go with the other two? I think it fits fine.

    I think the only house that really has a theme would be House Targaryen. They tend to favor -ae together and tend to use a lot of -y's: Daenerya, Rhaegar, Viserys, Visenya, Rhaena, Daena, Elaena, Aegon, Jaehaerys, etc. And I love it. For a fantasy book/tv show, not necessarily in real life.

    I do see a slight similarity with Brandon and Sansa, but it's just the "an" sound which isn't really a brother because Sansa is usually pronounced more like "Sahn-sa" especially with the actors' accents if that makes any sense. I have noticed the Starks having probably the most "normal" names. Eddard, Brandon, William, Jon, Robb, etc.

    Personally I think George R. R. Martin did a pretty amazing job at coming up with 5,000+ names for characters.
    Thank you both for the correction. I never saw the name in print, so I thought I'd heard Eliza. :P

    Catelyn, Lysa, and Edmure just annoy me more now! Catelyn is completely mispronunced, and very very very modern looking and feeling. Especially next to Lysa and Edmure.
    Same with Jaime, it's far too modern, and common compared to Cersei and Tyrion.

    House Targaryen I agree has a obvious theme, and I appreciate that a whole lot more. I'm in love with the naming, I think it's very fitting for the genre as well.

    You're right on the common -an- with Brandon and Sansa. I too noticed the Stark house had more familiar names. Brandon isn't so bad because he's called Bran, and is fits with William and Jon, but the Arya, Sansa and Brandon annoyed me to no end at first, now I'm noticing the difference a lot less.

    "alyssa897, it's the fact that Catelyn is such a non-fantasy name that we're complaining about. Same with Brandon-- the problem isn't the similar sounds, it's the utter style mismatch."
    I totally agree with this.

    Something like Catlen and Branson would've been MUCH better, imo.

    I think I'm hyper aware of the naming scheme because I'm in the process of forming my own fantasy world, so this is more of an interest to me than normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by east93 View Post
    Catelyn, Lysa, and Edmure just annoy me more now! Catelyn is completely mispronunced, and very very very modern looking and feeling. Especially next to Lysa and Edmure.
    Same with Jaime, it's far too modern, and common compared to Cersei and Tyrion.
    I started reading A Game of Thrones just recently, so I don't know many of the characters yet - but when I first came across Catelyn's name, I immediately thought "Really?". It just screamed "the U.S. girls' name of the 90s" to me. Brandon (haven't met him yet) looks equally misplaced, but his nn Bran is fine with me.

    House Targaryen I agree has a obvious theme, and I appreciate that a whole lot more. I'm in love with the naming, I think it's very fitting for the genre as well.
    I'm with you - I totally fell in love with the Targaryens' names at first sight.

    Being both a fantasy / SF writer and a name nerd, I have pretty high naming standards that most books / games / movies fail to meet (but I have learned to live with that). I place great importance on consistency and originality. I like "real" names only in urban fantasy or settings that are clearly modeled after a real one (pseudo-medieval, -Roman, -Egyptian, you get the point). For example, I really like the naming in the Elder Scrolls games. There's a pseudo-Roman province, where people have names such as Decimus Hereus and Auria Jucunda, as well as other societies with their own distinctive names. As for myself, I am also a language enthusiast, so I follow the Tolkien approach for the fantasy trilogy I'm working on: I come up with at least a rough outline of the phonetics of each language, which serves as a base to derive names from. I have to admit it often takes ages to come up with the perfect name for a character, so I can definitely understand why Martin didn't choose to go with original names à la House Targaryen for everyone.

    geeknamezyo: Thanks for posting the tvtropes link! Looks like a great read.
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