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  1. #106
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    I'm appalled that there's so much defense for homophobic commentary. Would you also defend racism in the database?

    ETA: I think Pam and Linda are doing a great thing by altering the commentary for entires such as Lance's earlier one. I'm not saying, "Praise every name" or anything; I realize the commentary is their own and that the database is not actually a base for actual data most of the time, but I can't think of a time of place where calling anything or anyone "limp-wristed" is appropriate. Homophobia is not refreshing, and I'm glad Pam & Linda have stepped up and changed some of the commentary.
    ETA again: I also want to say that I do LOVE these forums. I think they're a great help and a lot of fun, and that's why I participate here.
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  2. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by zippy View Post
    I am just jaw-droppingly appalled by this entire thread. I remember when Beyond Jennifer and Jason came out, what was so refreshing was how Pam and Linda really told readers about the significance of names; their style, their image, their social mobility. It was the most amazing thing I'd ever read. If forum participants just want to know the meaning and origin of a name, there are a bazillion other sites out there.

    Further more, I can't believe some posters' audacity in dictating to Pam and Linda what they need to change in their content. Stanley is unreasonable and ridiculous for a girl? Tell it to Barack Obama-- that's his mother's name. Don't get me wrong-- you are entitled to your opinions (and you seem to think I'm entitled to mine as long as they jibe with yours), but Nameberry is Pam and Linda's brand. It's their opinion I'm interested in. You think you're more of an expert? Go build your brand. Don't impose your ideas on theirs.

    I've been on this forum off-and-on since the way-back days when Lola and Susan were the resident experts. I came back a few months ago and absolutely cannot believe how contentious and self-righteous many of the posters are. This used to be a fun place where folks played around with names, but now it's gotten weird and politically-charged and, quite frankly, full of bossy prigs. Where is the joy in this community? Cause I ain't seein' it.

    And I suppose if they want to KEEP readers and posters interested in their work, they should move with the times and realize things like homophobia are NOT cool and if they don't want to change it - fine, it's their site, but don't expect to keep good press when it gets out that you are spewing homophobic BS. As to the masculine /feminine thing - I personally don't care about that bit, but I DO think it's more than a little backwards (and VERY FAR from refreshing or insightful) to say that a perfectly good masculine name should be off limits to boys just because a few girls share the name.

    That being said - if someone comes on here and takes Pam and Linda's word about a name - it's style, image, or social mobility - at face value then they need to re-think some things about themselves because NO ONE should tell you your own opinion on something as important as what you choose to name your child. Just because they decided that something is outdated does not mean everyone views it that way or that it is a "fact".

  3. #110
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    Yes, let's all get with the times and base our opinions on public consensus. How dare anyone call Fauntleroy a sissy name?

    Give me a break. I'm over the whole speech police thing. If you find something so homophobic or racist - and btw these are usually buzzwords meant to shut down debate, since people are scared to be called a homophobe or racist - then don't come to the site. Forcing people to conform to the general consensus and express themselves "correctly" is Orwellian and disgusting.

    I'm surprised by how much politics finds its way onto the boards in general. I've already had to read far too many posts about transgender youths and how gross the Bushes are for a freakin' baby name forum.

    Pam and Linda are fixing the comments - fine. You won. But when people express why they weren't offended by the original comments, many of you are actually offended that we weren't offended?! LOL. Wow.

    I wasn't offended. I feel fine about not being offended. If that makes me a racist homophobic racist homophobe, cool.

  4. #112
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    Quote Originally Posted by zippy View Post
    I am just jaw-droppingly appalled by this entire thread. I remember when Beyond Jennifer and Jason came out, what was so refreshing was how Pam and Linda really told readers about the significance of names; their style, their image, their social mobility. It was the most amazing thing I'd ever read. If forum participants just want to know the meaning and origin of a name, there are a bazillion other sites out there.

    Further more, I can't believe some posters' audacity in dictating to Pam and Linda what they need to change in their content. Stanley is unreasonable and ridiculous for a girl? Tell it to Barack Obama-- that's his mother's name. Don't get me wrong-- you are entitled to your opinions (and you seem to think I'm entitled to mine as long as they jibe with yours), but Nameberry is Pam and Linda's brand. It's their opinion I'm interested in. You think you're more of an expert? Go build your brand. Don't impose your ideas on theirs.

    I've been on this forum off-and-on since the way-back days when Lola and Susan were the resident experts. I came back a few months ago and absolutely cannot believe how contentious and self-righteous many of the posters are. This used to be a fun place where folks played around with names, but now it's gotten weird and politically-charged and, quite frankly, full of bossy prigs. Where is the joy in this community? Cause I ain't seein' it.
    Yeah all of this. I mean I'm new here, so I don't know how it was before but there is a lot of bossy PC crap. I'm not all that familiar with forums in general so it's surprising.

  5. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by missusaytch View Post
    Yes, let's all get with the times and base our opinions on public consensus. How dare anyone call Fauntleroy a sissy name?

    Give me a break. I'm over the whole speech police thing. If you find something so homophobic or racist - and btw these are usually buzzwords meant to shut down debate, since people are scared to be called a homophobe or racist - then don't come to the site. Forcing people to conform to the general consensus and express themselves "correctly" is Orwellian and disgusting.

    I'm surprised by how much politics finds its way onto the boards in general. I've already had to read far too many posts about transgender youths and how gross the Bushes are for a freakin' baby name forum.

    Pam and Linda are fixing the comments - fine. You won. But when people express why they weren't offended by the original comments, many of you are actually offended that we weren't offended?! LOL. Wow.

    I wasn't offended. I feel fine about not being offended. If that makes me a racist homophobic racist homophobe, cool.

    No one is forcing them to do anything, so no one is being the "speech police". Again - we all get that the descriptions are full of opinions - but like it's already been stated - if you are in the public eye, you either phrase things in a non-offensive way or you get a crap reputation. No offense, but since a huge portion of the country thinks that racism, homophobia and the like IS offensive and wrong, it would serve them well to phrase things in a way that does not come across that way. And yes, homophobia and racism are hotbutton words, but REALLY - what else can "limp wristed" be described as? What other possible explanation could there be to using the term "limp wristed" in a description of a name that has a high profile homosexual attached to it? There isn't even an argument there. Whether it was meant to be nasty or not is not the point - the point is that it comes across as extremely vile and we pointed it out. It's their own prerogative whether to change it or not.

    When your fans come out and say that they don't like what you are doing, you have two choices: you can acknowledge it and address the problem or ignore it and keep doing it your way. Pam and Linda have obviously decided that the feelings and views of their supporters are important to them, so they looked over and addressed the issue. Some things have been changed, others have not - via THEIR choice. But, again, when you are in the public eye and you put your work out there, people WILL tell you how they feel and how things come off, it's part of being well known and being brave enough to put yourself out there.

    That being said - politics has it's place here in some cases, but I agree - not in so many things that they are brought into. But then, you are the one who told a 15 year old girl that she shouldn't be having sex based on things more than just physical consequences, so you can't play innocent there.

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