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April 10th, 2013 03:50 AM #76Senior Member
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I am still loving this thread. The mention of naming a boy Jane made me think of something- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ers#Jayne_Cobb
One of my favorite writer/directors/etc.'s is Joss Whedon who actually has a male character named Jayne. It also strikes me that it's a Joss Whedon character because he has been known for writing strong female characters and when asked why he continuously writes strong female characters he responded with, "because you're still asking me that question." If my best friend didn't already have "dibs" on Jane I would totally consider it for a boy and as my boyfriend is a Whedonite and lover of Firefly he may actually agree!Girls- Winter, Eden, Colette, River, Charlotte.
Boys- Atticus, Eliot, Milo, Gideon, Malcolm.
April 10th, 2013 08:12 AM #78
I hate to bring this back up after this thread has evolved so much since, but there is a point that I wanted to make late last night but didn't (I had it all typed out but didn't send it)...
Augusta's point of oppression being a spectrum that is different for males/females, I think you also have to look deeper at *why* this is.
In our culture, lesbians, and straight females too, are very much fetishised into existing for the entertainment of straight males (a prime example and cause being the porn industry). Heterosexual males always take priority, hence why divergent male sexuality is feared more: gay males, unlike lesbians, do not exist for heterosexual men; so they're are deemed 'weird' and 'icky and 'girly' - not just because of the 'gay guy' stereotype but also because femininity is undesirable so is therefore insulting for a male.
Which of course, like has been pointed out, is reflected in naming. I constantly get feedback from people on my boy's list telling me they're 'too soft and feminine' for little boys, which I can't stand.(olivia. seventeen. film & philosophy student, worryingly maternal! in love with my kitty, majestically named shura)
''BOYS R SENSITIVE''; Rufus George ○ Wilfred Alec (Wilf) ○ Emmett Edgar
''GIRLS R SRTONG''; Rosemary Una (Romy) ○ Estella Maud (Esa) ○ Agnes Annabel
April 10th, 2013 09:15 AM #80Senior Member
[FONT=Palatino Linotype][CENTER]My darling Marian Illyria Aphrodite, March 2013 & Little Bunny (a girl!) due 9th of February 2014[/CENTER][/FONT]
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April 10th, 2013 09:29 AM #82Senior Member
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The opposite is also true. Masculine traits are associated with power and success. Women have to work harder to prove themselves in male-dominated fields, while statistically, we take a pay-cut. Nameberry thinks Cyril is "virile for a girl."
Funny, Rowangreeneyes, I didn't mention tree-climbing as an example of a masculine activity. I mentioned climbing trees, reading books, playing make-believe, as things that all kids should be encouraged to do, rather than spending their time having beauty parlor parties, wasting their energy on superficial values that may backfire and make them feel inadequate later in life. I don't think of tree-climbing as a masculine activity. I think of trees as quite gender-neutral, which is why I consider Rowan, Linden, and the like to be truly unisex names. Do you feel differently? ;-)
April 10th, 2013 11:27 AM #84Senior Member
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There are a few interesting points made here, and a few who are clearing just baiting for an argument. I use to have a strong opinion on this but now it really feels like kicking a dead horse. Rowangreeneyes made the best point here, whats your end game? All you can do is name your children the names you like and let other people name their children what they like. I read over and over how most posters love Name berry because in the real world people make them feel bad about the names they love. Then they turn around and make others feel bad about the names they love because they are 'trendy' 'down market' 'Walmart/toddlers and tiara sect'.
I don't know, I just don't see the point of getting upset about something you really can't change. Please dont take anything I said as a personal attack. I am just stating things as I see them.