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April 9th, 2013 07:59 PM #21
She didn't exactly make an argument, but her point was pretty clear. Why quibble?
I agree that the trend of giving traditionally male names to girls pretty emphatically sends the message that "masculine" qualities are desirable and "feminine" qualities are not. It's especially clear when you take into consideration the fact that there is no evidence of this trend operating in reverse (traditionally feminine names being given to boys), and, in fact, traditionally male names that have begun to see frequent use on girls are now often considered suspect.
I also think it's interesting that there are multitudes of male name feminizations (Georgia, Petra, Theodora, etc.), but you rarely see a name that's the masculine form of a female name. I posted a thread about it not too long ago, actually: http://nameberry.com/nametalk/thread...feminine-names (it got one reply, which I completely missed seeing until just now)on my mind, for the moment
Daria | Athena | Ramona | Winifred | Maeve | Blythe | Nadine | Dorothea | Margot | Cyra | Renata | Hypatia | Junia | Thisbe
Flynn | Otto | Winston | Claude | Leif | Roald | Tavish | Lionel | Cormac | Tobin | Oswin | Rory | Damon | Tycho
Mildred "Red" ☆ Obedience "Bede" ☆ Relief "Leafy" ☆ Dorothea "Doro" ☆ Penelope "Pen" ☆ Ruth "Rue" ☆ Eudoxia "Exie"
April 9th, 2013 08:13 PM #23
I'm glad this is being discussed and some sort of point is being made about it, granted, it's the same point I've been pushing on Nameberry for ages: the whole idea of boys names on girls changes the categories from 'boys names, girls names' to 'names for people, girls names'. Naming your little girl Rhys is not making a statement of equality, it's just labelling her friends Isabelle and Laura as inferior.
But this article isn't well written. Its very noncommittal and frankly if I wasn't already interested in both feminism and names I probably would have taken little from it at all.
I have no problem with genuinely unisex names, place names, nature names, virtue names etc - Jordan, Rowan, Noble.
Rory, Ryan, James are NOT unisex. They are male names. Stop giving them to females, unless you're prepared to not ridicule little boys named Alice and Lily.sixteen, dreaming of future babies...
Ophelia, Margaret, Jemima, Madeleine, Virginia, Marina
Emmett, Wolf, Nicholas, Casimir, Alec, William, Vincent
April 9th, 2013 08:43 PM #25
It seems to me that there is a disturbing trend of "One/Ten Syndrome." That is on a scale of 1-10, a baby needs to either be hyper-masculine (One) or Feminissima (Ten). Hence the profusion of lacy, lissome, liquid, substanceless girls' names [Lilou, Annabella], and near-cartoonishly masculine boys' names [Gunner, Ryker, Cannon].
I do think it makes sense to name a baby a name traditionally associated with its biological sex at birth. If later the child's gender turns out not to match that sex, or to match it somewhat imperfectly, the child can adopt a new one much as s/he changes the rest of their identity, dress, etc. I don't think it's a big strike for feminism to name a boy a confusingly feminine name, just as we all agree it's almost counter-productive to name a girl Douglas.
I'm dipping my toe into waters that are not my own here, but I do think divergent *male* sexuality is socially much more feared and unacceptable than divergent *female* sexuality. This is reflected in multiple attitudes and expectations placed on boys in areas which are much more important than names, but since Names R Us, I'll give an example. Just look at the nameberry description of my son Antoine's name: "your friendly neighborhood hairdresser." The implication, of course, is that Antoine is a gay name (because it's French and somewhat soft; of course no one would ever say that about Anthony or Antonio), and being a gay name is obviously undesirable and mockable. I can't think of a single name that is an 'undesirable' 'lesbian' name; they're usually glossed as 'tomboy' or 'boyish' and viewed quite positively. Hence the frequently expressed worries on nameberry by posters wondering whether 'soft' names on boys are OK, or if they should stick to the safety of the machismo camp, but I cannot recall a thread where a poster queried whether or not a particular name being considered for a girl was too masculine or hard.XY: Antoine Raphael (3.1.2012)
XX: Cassia Viviane Noor (11.30.2013)
April 9th, 2013 09:03 PM #27
Blade, thank you for making me look up a new word. Going to add lissome to my list of words to teach my students.
I have nothing to add without feeling hypocritical. I have admitted to liking Asher and Elisha for girls, although I would never do it and I would also never name a son Victoria. This is quite fascinating, however, and I'm curious to see what else people have to say. I do agree with blade about the trend of "hyper-masculine"names for boys and "feminissima" names for girls.TTC #1
Zoe Aurora | Noemí Esther
Lucas Emmanuel | Levi Alexander
Adele | Adira | Arabella | Eliana | Elizabeth | Milena | Susannah | Zara
April 9th, 2013 09:13 PM #29
Africa that many lesbians cannot even leave their houses. It's all oppression, but each "letter" in the GLBTQ acronym experiences unique manifestations of that oppression. We also have to take into account intersections of privilege. The idea that certain boys' names are "gay" (and yes, the NB entry for Antoine is hugely problematic) is homophobic, and it's also misogynistic. Male homosexuality is seen as undesirable because it's coded as feminine...which says a lot about how our society views women.
| Eloise & Matilda | Sylvie & Faye | Alice & Elliot |
| Jules & Ivan | Marigold & Juniper | Atlas & August | Marlowe & Cordelia |
| Dashiell & Roscoe | Simon & Wallace | Jane & Iris |