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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by blade View Post
    Except the writer didn't actually say that, she wanted you to say it for her.

    To be honest I loathe this writing style, which probably doesn't help matters. It's faux-colloquial, like you're two besties having a chat, and the author can't be bothered to put all her brilliant thoughts into a cohesive, formal, serious post/piece (but if she buckled down and did it, it would be *awesome,* you can be assured). I think it shows a lot of timidity, like "it's better not to try, than to try and fail."

    I liked the intro and the snark, especially the lady bit cookies, but she immediately diverted into staving off detractors and then everything fell flat. The readers ended up drawing conclusions and inferring her points, and I'll restate, she never bothered to make any real arguments, even though I think we can all get her thesis and probably agree with it.
    Bear in mind that this writer is a commenter, not a featured author, and her piece was meant to open up a discussion in the comments -- which, once again, I would urge everyone to read. A lot of good points are being brought up.

    Matilda Sailor or Faye Matilda | Sylvie Wren or Simon Adler | Alice Violetta or Atlas Dov | Julian 'Jules' River or Juniper 'Joon' Lovelace | Roscoe Fox or Marlowe Fritz | Jane Lucinda or Lucien Wilde | Louisa Valor or Eloise March | Ivan Elliot or Iris Cordelia | August Jack or Jasper Hale | Dashiell Jude or Judah Reeve | Thea Marina or Marigold 'Maggie' Wynn | Finnegan Wallace or Felix Raphael

    Just a grad student dreaming ahead...

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    Quote Originally Posted by augusta_lee View Post
    I think the point here is that a combination like Holly Maxwell wouldn't be seen as "crazy", because it's culturally acceptable and trendy to give girls boys' names. There's nothing unique or wacky about it. A BOY named Holly, on the other hand, would be truly unusual -- not to mention far more subversive.
    We had a hilarious tv show here called 'Red Dwarf' which is now a cult classic. There was a male character in that called Holly. He was a really really dim computer avatar. Everyone just accepted it as his name. I suppose it should have been weird but it wasn't.
    ~Boys~

    Jory Leander Atticus, August Eli Benedict, Casimir Mordecai Stewart,
    Edmond John Meirion, Horatio Ethell Emery, Bram William Jasper,
    Julian Remy Charles, Vasiliy Lochlan Michael.


    ~Girls~

    Aira Rose ___, Eleni Fiorella Charlotte, Sylvia Sayuri Noor,
    Merit Eleanora Adelaide, Clover Elodie Seraphine, Bridie Scarlett Viola,
    Marguerite Cecilia Iris, Eilidh Clara Valentine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by augusta_lee View Post
    There are also some great points being made in the comments -- for instance, that we name aspirationally: "So you're going to name your little girl Hunter so she can be a rough-and-tumble girl before you name your boy Victoria because, well, what's aspirational about being a woman." Girls can aspire to qualities gendered male, but qualities gendered female are inherently undesirable, especially for boys.
    THIS^^
    Nameberry is obsessed with Girl names, so much more fun than boys. However, the rest of world history and the world currently disagrees. Girls have always been less desirable than boys, less respected. less powerful.
    I do Not believe people who like boys names on girls think less of girls. Its just a trend, nothing to take too seriously. But it is an eye opener to the reality of history.
    Mom to Tess, Kaia, Jasper and dogs Brody, Max and Felix

    *Penelope Sadie Kite* Piper Olive Cordelia* Phoebe Clementine Hope* Hattie Vivian Jewel* Willa Florence Eve*

    *Finn Wesley Joseph* Ezra Calvin David* Judah Theodore Henry* Leo Abram James*

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    I love this discussion and am so glad that this is something we're talking about. I agree with so much of this. It's acceptable to give a girl a male name, but not to give a boy a female name, and we all know why. And I'm really glad it's being talked about. Even if I felt like there was a lot more to say and that the write of the article should've said it. That doesn't make the point any less true.

    My grandfather is 85 and his name is Marion. He was named after his grandfather. He's always gone by his middle name. I've never heard anyone other than my grandma refer to him as Marion. He just mention this weekend how he's never been proud of or much cared for his name, because it's a girls name. In my mind it's a unisex name, but I've grown up around both male and female Marion/Marian's. I love looking at these sorts of things. I just wonder what we should do with this information. Name boys Victoria, Isabella, and Chloe? Not name girls Bailey or Reese or Taylor or Lane?
    Girls- Winter, Eden, Colette, River, Charlotte.
    Boys- Atticus, Eliot, Milo, Gideon, Malcolm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnoelle View Post
    I just wonder what we should do with this information. Name boys Victoria, Isabella, and Chloe? Not name girls Bailey or Reese or Taylor or Lane?
    I'm in a similar quandry! From my list I would absolutely give the name Marlowe to a boy or a girl, but when I think of naming a boy Holly (which I actually like the idea of after mentioning it above!) my mind just balks. I'm a flaming feminist queer person and half of my friends are trans or gender divergent or drag queens or use neutral gender pronouns, none of which phases me, but a son named Holly, or Matilda, or Jane? I don't know. Part of me wishes I were brave enough to do it, but I certainly don't want to use my kid as a social experiment. That's a therapy bill I really don't want to foot.

    Matilda Sailor or Faye Matilda | Sylvie Wren or Simon Adler | Alice Violetta or Atlas Dov | Julian 'Jules' River or Juniper 'Joon' Lovelace | Roscoe Fox or Marlowe Fritz | Jane Lucinda or Lucien Wilde | Louisa Valor or Eloise March | Ivan Elliot or Iris Cordelia | August Jack or Jasper Hale | Dashiell Jude or Judah Reeve | Thea Marina or Marigold 'Maggie' Wynn | Finnegan Wallace or Felix Raphael

    Just a grad student dreaming ahead...

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