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April 10th, 2013 05:09 PM #86Senior Member
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April 10th, 2013 08:50 PM #90
Augusta meant was that, in terms of this particular naming trend, the gender-less argument does not apply as its sole occurrence is contained on one side of the theoretical naming spectrum. At least that is my interpretation of her comment.
@rowangreeneyes: The ends mean of this argument is to educate on the social culture of naming and what characteristic(s) it is inherently encouraging or deeming superior. This trend is expressed throughout society in a multitude of mediums. Is education not the means of cultural growth and understanding? Do debates and expression of perspective not encourage cultural reform? Would the trend continue if potential parents were educated on what they are subliminally projecting by naming their daughter James? Or is ignorance truly bliss?
May I ask, what is it that you particularly like about masculine names on girls? What significance does it hold for you?
April 10th, 2013 08:51 PM #92
Interestingly enough, it was the girls who weren't particularly "girly" or were more tomboyish than I was, that lead into overly sexual lifestyles at a young age. As I think back on middle school especially, the ones doing the bl*w j*bs in the Pizza Palour washroom weren't the same ones particularly interested in being girly, they were far less girly.
In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with Spa Parties. I had one when I was 11 or 12, it was my idea, and I did at my home. Set up a bunch of stations, and we had a blast. And not of us grew up feeling that we were worth our appearance. Then again, that was 11/12.
A spa party isn't going to destroy a girls mentality, or have her think her worth is based on her appearance. Trust me, kids are already aware of appearances based on other factors, not nail polish and a foot scrub.
Telling a child "You're so pretty! Oh you're gorgeous! Hi pretty girl!" are far more leading to that mindset than pedicures.
I also don't get being told over and over that a child is valued for their looks, for the things that make them valuable to men from spa parties.
Spa is so much more than makeup, and nail polish. The whole realm of it is far more health and care based than primping. On the subject of nail polish: Nail polish doesn't make girls think that they need to fix their appearance. It makes them think their nails look extra pretty. Makeup on a 8 year old? Now that's something I think is damaging. Nail polish is far from it, in my opinion. I wore nail polish at 6, albeit peel-off nail polish, and I never thought I was ugly when I didn't wear it, and when I did wear it I didn't feel like I was worth more. I simply thought my nails looked extra pretty and loved when it matched my shirt or pants. Bonus points for when it matched my shoes.
I remember I got my nails done when I was around 7 or 8. My aunt gets her nails done in acrylic, well Gel now, and I always loved how they looked. She took me with her one day and I got air brushed red hearts on my nails.
I loved it, it was so much fun. The lasted around 2 weeks, and I was sad when they left, but did I feel that I was ugly now? No. I just thought it was cool that I had a design on my nails. Did I feel that now I had to make sure I was super pretty all the time? No. I still ran out side in overalls chasing my friends, touching the neighbours turtle, climbing trees, playing soccer, and collecting woodlice and lady bugs (one of which I named Rebecca btw :P)
This topic had me curious, and I decided I'd ask the girly girls of my daycare what their favourite activities were. I only managed to ask one, but you know what her answer was? "Wrestling with my dogs."
Sophia is a completely girly looking girl, she loves to wear pretty clothes, and nail polish, and to dance, and be silly and be a girl. Yet her number one activity to do? Wrestling. With dogs at that.
I think the concept that being girly is degrading is more damaging than nail polish, and lip gloss. Girls primp more for other girls than for boys. Half the things women love to wear, men find ridiculous. It's other women that notice and comment on it.
I see more girls now being less princessy and more, all-rounded. What bothers me the most is the assumption that if a girl likes to primp, she must have low-self esteem issues, and doesn't value herself enough. Or that she's probably overly sexual, or lacking in substances.
That's an unfair judgement, and discriminating imo.
If a girl does boyish things, it's great! But if a girl does girly things, oh lets hurry and distract her. Girls like what they like, and they have that right. It's far more than spa parties, and glittery things that lead girls into doing overly sexual acts at a young age.
Also, not all of this reply is directed at you, emmabobemma. I kind of just went off on a spiel after a while. I don't mean anything personal by it.
Laurel - twenty one - Toronto
Nathaniel . Eden | Alessandra . Noel
April 10th, 2013 09:04 PM #94
As someone who is adamantly against boys names on girls, I would not name my daughter a boys name. However, due to participating in many discussions about it and the double standards, and reverse sexism is sets, I'm also far more likely to name my son Eden, than I was previously.
Discussions educate others, and sometimes a conversation inspires someone else. Conversations have inspired me to stick to my love of Eden for a boy, rather than cross it off because "Oh, but Eden's a girls name."
It's not over-analyzing if we're sharing experiences, opinions, and other information with each other. If you don't want to be a part of that, then don't participate. Different people participate in each conversation.
2) There is no double standard supporting or liking a girls name on a girl, over liking a boys name on a girl.
Girls names are meant for girls. Boys names are meant for boys. Masculine names are meant for boys, not girls. So it's not a double standard to like things that a meant for certain things.
A double standard would be to not support the name Dana on a boy because it's "too feminine", yet support names like Michael on a girl.
As for when masculine names make the switch to unisex, I have no answer or reasoning for that. All I know is that severally opposite gender names are not something I support or agree with. A boy named Cassandra, and a girl named Jeffery is not something I agree with.
Imo, girls names are for girls, boys names are for boys, and unisex are for both.
Laurel - twenty one - Toronto
Nathaniel . Eden | Alessandra . Noel