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Thread: Names from Game of Thrones!
April 10th, 2013 03:07 AM #31Senior Member
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Martin cribbed from. I don't know about you, but my immersion is not aided in the slightest by reading Catelyn vs. Caitlin. It doesn't look/sound exotic. And veering back and forth between kreative and not can be a little jarring too.
It's also not hard to find actual obscure names with medieval use for when you want something that looks/sounds exotic.
I agree a lot of fantasy writers do it but I consider it a genre crutch. The whole strength of Martin is he doesn't write stuff as hackneyed and cliched as the average pulp fantasy novel. Martin is better than a lot of them regardless of his affection for kreative names, admittedly, but "its common to the genre" is a pretty weak defense since some pretty sad crap gets churned out. If you're going to full-on invent names, go the way Tolkien did and have a whole internal logic/language to it, don't just barf up some y's.
I agree I do like Bran (the name, as well as the character) though. I like Margaery's character but I don't know that I like the name any more than Margery/Marjorie.
April 10th, 2013 04:17 AM #33
I didn't think PP was arguing for those names either, I used them as an example because of how ridiculous they are. I think had he used the regular forms of the names (e.g. Caitlin, or rather Catlyn) they would not have a fantasy feel to them and would be very mundane. At least the names that are just different forms of today's names - Sandor for example, are different enough to feel based in reality and this world, while being distinctive. Imagine how crap it'd be if instead of Eddard and Catelyn Stark we had Eyden and Madison Stark. Hah. Using actual historic, obscure names would have removed the sense of familiarity I was referring to. Not all of Martin's character names are just "barfed up 'y's" - the Targaryens anyone? He used familiarly human names when they were appropriate and more fantastical ones when they were appropriate too. I'm not saying he is the best character namer in the world and he is certainly no Tolkien in that regard but I think he did a fine job balancing the realistic and the fantasy with his naming. And I am super sick so hopefully this makes some ounce of sense.cassia | vivian | flora
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April 10th, 2013 06:26 AM #35
Georgiana. It was so jarring because it seemed too English and, entymology wise, I couldn't fathom how an alien world has managed to end up speaking English. All the other aliens had English names too.
Catelyn, Eddard, Arya etc for me are all just different enough from real names to suggest that this culture has a basis in our own but has been skewed by magic and different historic events.
Like the PP mentioned, Tolkien did the same sort of thing. Galadriel has a similar sound to Gabrielle (though that's not where it's come from and has actually been formed from one of the Elvish languages) so it's familiar to the tongue without being unpronounceable.~Boys~
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April 10th, 2013 11:46 AM #37Senior Member
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I forgot to add that I also love Osha - but couldn't use it due to my line of work it will always mean Occupational Safety and Health Administration - even if it is pronounced differently.~Mommy to Callum Rhys~
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April 13th, 2013 10:01 PM #39Zelia/Elja • Nineteen • Name and history nerd from an early age • I have a blog.