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October 30th, 2013 01:30 PM #1
Breaking the rules
My other post (and endless quest for the perfect name) got me thinking about this. There are a few commandments that most berries try to follow when creating whole names:
1. Avoid too short (lacks substance) or too long (clunky, cumbersome for the child, difficult to create good flow) of a name.
2. Don't end the first name with the same sound that begins the middle name (or surname). The sounds will run together and create a muddled mess.
3. Don't use too many of the same sounds (alliteration, assonance, or rhyming). You don't want your child's name to sound like a tongue-twister or a limerick.
For the most part, I never thought about this stuff before I came here, but I am a rule-following type of girl, so I immediately revised my list to accommodate all these points.
But then I started noticing some quiet exceptions: in real life, on the forums and in my own quick brainstorming lists.
- Celebrities inevitably drop parts of their full names in order to make shorter, catchier monikers, and they don't seem to have any issues with substance. On the other hand, one of the boys in my primary school had a very long name (by our standards): Christopher + a Polish surname beginning with K. And yet it's one of the few full names I remember all these years later, because it was interesting and very very fun to say.
- Someone with a W- surname posted about a son called Wesley, mentioning that he had a W middle as well. She assured us that the combo sounded good, and she seemed like a pretty classy sort of namer. I tried out a few combos to myself- Wesley Walker Wood? Oh yes. A celebrity/writer name if I ever heard one.
- One of my just-for-fun combos the other night was Maple Lorelei. At first, I didn't even realize it broke the rules. Then I started thinking about pronunciation and how all sounds are not created equally in our mouths. Vocalization is pretty complicated, and I'm actually not sure why this one works to me (and maybe not to others), but it does.
What other exceptions have you come across?
Do you think these rules are useful guides, or sometimes a little bit oppressive?Married to my best friend since 6-30-11 ♥ Mama to two herding dogs, a wooly rabbit & a purring machine
Current favorite combos for the women-to-be: Rowena Claire (Winnie) | Amabel Jane | Lilias Eve | Helene Iona (Lena)
And the little men: Theodore James (Teddy) | Cedric Muir | Jude Peregrine | Henry Alcott
October 30th, 2013 01:47 PM #3Senior Member
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One of the things I find really cool about this site is that, because you have so many people who, though they have different tastes, have given quite a lot of thought to names, names combos, and sounds. Through that, a sort of consensus emerges as you've described with the "rules." The rules are guidelines that seem to develop as people form independent (though similar) impressions regarding sounds that are pleasing and flow from one sound to another. I think it's fascinating that so many people from so many different places still end with many similar sound preferences!in the earliest stages of TTC with a freakish love for planning ahead - bordering on obsession
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October 30th, 2013 01:59 PM #5
I think that some people go way overboard with rules. I honestly wonder how some people will even name their first child, let alone second, third, fourth, etc. Non-name nerds most likely haven't even heard of these so called rules. I assume most people fall in the catagory of non-name nerds. Choose the names that you love, that honor, that have special meaning to you and your family. Say the names and combos out-loud and see how they sound. I, gasp, have lots of names that end in N, ER, EE sound, and A sound. There is nothing wrong with naming all your children with names that end with the same letter, that have the same letters in them, etc. There is also a big difference between naming real children and creating lists.
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October 30th, 2013 02:26 PM #7
I don't think anyone should have to follow "rules" to name a child unless it is really something that is important to you. I am an alliteration baby with a fn, ln combo of KK, my husband is the same with a JJ. We didn't have issues growing up, haven't had one in my adult life yet, and I don't foresee any problems either. I actually like it, but if you don't like alliteration, don't use it. Personally, I feel the fn, mn combo needs to flow nicely together, but it's not a rule and even if it was, it's subjective. I think as long as you, SO, and baby can work with the name, so be it. I also agree with lovemysweeties, naming a real child and coming up with a list of names you like are completely different.TTC #1Is it crazy that I want to talk about my favorite names but scared of other people taking them?My fur babies: Toby and Trixie
October 30th, 2013 02:33 PM #9
I agree with much of what the other posters have said. I think it's pleasing to the ear and eye to vary the syllable count in the first/last (and maybe middle) but that becomes really restrictive and there are plenty of great sounding names that break the rule (Jude Law, Isla Fisher, Jennifer Connelly) so I don't dig my heels in too hard. There are also plenty of names that fit the "rule" but don't sound very nice.
I think these rules just came up because you need help explaining why you do or don't like the sound of a name in that particular case--not why you don't like ALL names that fall under that rule.Sweet little baby boy due 3/28/14