fey – I do love Caspian Alaric…Ric was on my original middle list for Caspian, but Hubby vetoed him back then. I was surprised that he didn't outright veto the name this time. I mean a maybe is pretty noncommittal, but it's not a no! And my FIL is Eric, so maybe I can make the connection of family significance there. While Caspian Wolf is definitely not too much for me, it's too much for Husband. He wants at least one "practical" name in each combo.
auroradawn - You seem to be right on board with my Husband as far as Tobias goes! He says it's brown and bookish, which appeals to him. Brown, to Husband, means stable, earthy, and strong. That is the most descriptive that he's ever been with a name! I'm really not a fan of Toby…wasn't that the name of the dog in the Dick and Jane readers? I think if I went with Tobias Wolf, his nickname would just be Wolf, or Wolfie when a baby. Thanks for helping me warm up to the name! I really want to like it for his sake…I'm not quite there yet, but you've definitely helped :)
I definitely prefer Caspian Gabriel over Caspian Tobias, but I agree with you that the rhythm gets a little bouncy. My preferred middles are Caspian North, Caspian Frost, and Caspian Atlas, but they're all too fanciful for Husband.
Othniel and Israel are great suggestions; I'd never considered them before. Not sure I can see myself hollering Othniel across the playground, but I'll have a think. Thanks so much!!!
otterbot – You're right on with Hubs wanting a "normal" middle for Caspian. He says he doesn't want normal, just practical – whatever that means. Your description of Tobias helps; I love the wise old man image. That's just how I picture Hubby when he grows up ;) I'm glad you don't think Tobias Wolf is too much…maybe I should make a poll to see what the general opinion is. Maybe most people haven't heard of him?
Nyah!! Epiphany moment: I finally figured out why I don't like Boaz! It's never made sense to me, cause he's an awesome guy and I love the whole Ruth story, but the name has always repelled me. It's because of Bozo the clown!! D'oh! >_<
On your list, I love Ezra but Husband said it's too girly. Yeah. We argued about that one for like 20 minutes. I was shocked. Ephraim has been suggested several times, but I've never really considered him. Ephraim…I do like the soft PH sound…I'll have to mull this one over for a bit. I also like Cornelius, but it's a bit like Othniel – can I really see this on a future child? Thanks so much for the suggestions, sweets! You always give me so much to think about :)
amesy – That settles it. If you, lifelong lover of Gabriel, don't like the Caspian Gabriel combo, it's officially out! Sebastian and Tobias do work well together. I like Sebastian Wolf for the dashing sound and roguish flair, but come to think of it, calm and stable Tobias might resonate more with how I picture our child. Another vote for Caspian Alaric! It is rather regal, I agree…hm. I get such an explorer vibe from Caspian so I'd love to have something in the middle that emphasizes that aspect. Tobiah is a no-go for me – I hear "to buy a wolf." Eek.
Gasp! The heresy! Haha. While I can see the beauty in Solomon Wolf - all sleek and silvery and full-moon-ish with those long O's everywhere – I couldn't let go of my beloved Fable. And Tobias Fable is just NOT the same at all. I don't know why. Thanks, you've really given me some things to think about!
rkrd – I agree with you that Toby is icky. Heber and Heman are not my style (especially Heman, because of the popular He-Man cartoon. I can just hear Hubby now…) but I'd never thought of Ethan! It's rather nice actually.
aveline_bellefleur – Have I complimented you on your username yet? It's so lovely. I think the issue with Patrick was that he couldn't dissociate it from Saint Patrick's Day, which is so very Irish. He has German and Jewish blood (and the Jew-fro to boot), whereas I'm a mutt. However, I am a quarter Native American, albeit three different tribes. I've never really delved into the Native American names because of how concerned he is with practicality…but family history seems to be increasingly important to him, so maybe I should give those a shot?
Temujin is fun, but he'll never go for the Genghis Khan connection. Daniel is a tricky one. It's a very meaningful name in my family, but it is just so painfully common and there are two cousins in Husband's family named Daniel. Can anyone think of a way to get to honor a Daniel without actually using the name Daniel?
judyariel – I love Archer and Gray, but they won't make it past Hubby. Archer because of the TV show and Gray because of that gosh darn 50 Shades. Raphael is beautiful, but already vetoed. I'm with Aveline – bloody men!
tori – I definitely need to get a poll going on Tobias Wolf…I'm not familiar with the author Tobias Wolff myself, only found him through the Tobias NB entry. I need to see how popular he is before settling on this choice.
Ooh such beautiful lists! I love Sirius, Altair, Luther, Augustine, Aristotle (that one's going in the GP pile for sure), Atticus, Ishmael (another GP, there's going to be trouble with this one over the Biblical story), Emrys (I used to dislike this one, but I'm really warming up to him after having read a few more Merlin-based series), Atlas (GP due to the Hubby veto), Zephyr (too much Z with Zion, I think), Fox, and Sage. I loved Gideon for a long time, but he's off the table now. Ephraim is going on the to-be-mulled-over list. Nehemiah is out because of the Nemo nickname which has horrible associations for me. Enoch was on my list for a while, and I don't know where he went! Into the mulling pile with Ephraim.
Sorry for this absolute BOOK of a reply, but you've all been so helpful and thought-provoking. I really appreciate the feedback!
Oooh, I like all of your E suggestions! Ethan, Ephraim, and Enoch... Lovely. Yikes! To-buy-a-wolf, no you're right, that would not be good haha.
Some explorer-inspired names:
[Daniel] Boone (great meaning; great Ian Somerhalder image ;) and you could maybe also use it to honor Daniel?)
Hernando/Fernando (for meanings)
Lewis (I assume you can't use Meriwether and Clark is alliterative. Could also be for Lewis Carroll which is unrelated but awesome)
Nestor (for it's meaning)
Salvador [Fidalgo] I saw this and I admit it's mostly just on the list because of the Salvatore brothers...
Walter [or Raleigh]
Oh I'm seconding Lewis here! It's on my own middle list, so many great associations. Alice and Narnia among others! My suggestions were crap, I know, I just listed the Bible names I could think of and I'm not good at those. I like Ethan too. Ethan Wolf, Lewis Wolf, Ferdinand Wolf, Daniel Wolf. Amy's a genius.
amy – Ephraim is beginning to grow on me, and Ethan Wolf has a great feel, cool and suave. Ooh, explorer names! I like the idea of Boone, but not sure where I would put it. Caspian Boone seems like it has too many similar letters, the melody gets hung up in the P/B/Ns. Isaac was sadly vetoed…Ferdinand is tempting, but I don't expect him to go for it, so I won't get too attached, even though Magellan is an awesome namesake! Salvador for the Salvatores! I can totally see it, but Damon didn't fare well for that very reason. Sigh.
You may have found me an absolute gem though: Raleigh! Sir Walter Raleigh is one of my favorite historical figures - I love the story of him and Queen Elizabeth and there's the spooky Roanoke colony - the name is lyrical and gentlemanly, and it somewhat references my southern roots (capitol of NC). And the meaning! Meadow full of deer, how lovely. I think Caspian Raleigh is pretty darn cool.
ottilie – Your suggestions are so not crap! Lewis is off-limits for us because of personal associations, despite all the lovely Alice and Narnia-ness. But I like Ethan Wolf more every time I hear it! And Amy is most definitely a genius ;) You both are!!
Tobias Wolf sounds great, but I would probably assume you were a fan of the writer. I'm not sure how well known he is, honestly. I know of him because I was obsessed with Leo Dicaprio when I was a teenager, and Leo was in the movie based on the book. It's rather bleak. If you go with Tobias Wolf, I'd read some of his stuff so you're at least familiar with it. All I've read is This Boy's Life.
I think Wolf works with a ton of names, it's just finding one you both like. I'm fairly certain I'm going to be suggesting names I've already suggested.
I seem to have gone off into bible land. :) I'm not religious, but there are so many gorgeous names from the bible.
I'm just going to throw a bunch of biblical/biblical sounding names out. Sorry for any repeats and for mentioning something you said was off the list.
I don't care for the flow of Caspian Tobias but what about Caspian Tobiah?
does your husband just veto or does he also actively contribute to the name search? he sounds a bit hard to please, so i hope he's doing his part and not leaving it up to you to read his mind or something!
if it bothers you that there is already a Tobias Wolff out there, have you checked other names that MEAN wolf? in other languages? Wolf, Wolfe, Wolff are the spellings i know of in English. i always liked the idea of Vuk as a fn - it means wolf in Serbocroatian. but i'm not sure how well it would work in English? (it is pronounced "vook"). then again, i don't think your hubby would go for something so ethnic, right?
another thing to consider is how well-known Tobias Wolff is. i, for example, don't know him. also, Nikolai Tesla is in a different category for me, because it's two less common names combined. Tobias and Wolf (in whichever spelling) are more common by themselves.
Saw the latest update...Ethan Wolf is awesome!!
fey – That's the problem, I'd never heard of the author…which is saying something, as I read A LOT of books. I agree that Wolf works with a ton of names…the hard part is finding something my husband and I can agree on. Dorian, Noah, Thaddeus, Ezekiel, and Leander have all gotten the axe. I love the sound, look, and vibe of Jericho, but it doesn't have the most positive connotation in the Bible, so I'm not sure I could use it. I like Elias, Josiah, and Emmanuel from your list. Zachariah I like too, but I have a good friend Zechariah, so that might be weird, and there's also the repeated Z thing with Zion. Am I too picky? I feel like I'm becoming hopelessly picky. It's depressing. I'm glad you suggested Bible names! I would LOVE to find a Biblical name that works for the both of us, but so far Tobias seems to be the only one. Philemon would be the runner-up, but Husband thinks it's a little too studious and I'm hesitant about it sounding too similar to Solomon.
casilda – Don't worry, we've been through so many names at this point that repeats and past vetoes are inevitable :) I love Azriel, but Hubs vetoed it. Cornelius, Ephraim, and Enoch are on my mulling-over list. Shadrach is kind of a fun idea…! I'm not sure I can see it on my own child, but it's definitely worth considering. I definitely see what you're saying about Tobias/Tobiah, but I know Hubby prefers it with the S.
vc2013 – Husband has contributed a few names that he really loves, mostly for girls: Alice, Wren, and Lyra. He's just not a name nerd at all – I'm lucky he puts up with my constant list-building and combo-making. He is hard to please, but so am I, and we have such opposite taste in names that it's a lot of work to meet in the middle :) Thanks for the reassurance on Tobias Wolf, I'm glad that not everyone immediately thinks of the author. Vuk is cool, but it would never fly in this house. I like your idea though!
sarah – We are definitely in the same boat as far as struggling to overlap our tastes! Ozias, I've never thought of that one before! Wonderful meaning, and I do love the Osias spelling…it makes me think of an oasis, probably because the anagram-ness. Caspian Caradoc would not work unfortunately, as our last name begins with a K – waaay too many hard C/K sounds. Amadeus has a lovely meaning too…is Amadeus Wolf too over-the-top Mozart? I'm also concerned that Hubby is going to look at it and see Asmodeus, an evil god in our D&D game. He does stuff like that sometimes…vetoed Corisande because it sounded like courtesan. ??? Aragorn, Tristan, Archer, and Peregrine were all vetoed, sadly. Elrond is tempting, and Quillan and Eleazar are going into the pile. I was stoked for Ethan Wolf, but when I looked up Ethan, he is number 3 on the SSA list!! THREE! I was shocked. I can handle top 500, and Malachi is even 168. My girls' names are also pretty high on the list (some in the top 100), but three?? I don't think I can do it. He'll be the next Aiden…
Thank you all for putting up with me, your suggestions and comments help a lot. I suppose the course of true name love never did run smooth!