@Giinkies - If you want to name your future child Rapunzel, then go ahead.
The previous thread was asking for people's opinions on the name and that's what we gave. The majority of people think Rapunzel is far too closely linked to the fairytale and is, basically, a silly name.
Defend the name as much as you want, say it's no different from naming your child Juliet or Ophelia, but that's not going to change people's minds. Saying lots of names are linked to depressing stories isn't going to make me say: "Oh my goodness, you're right! Now I will go ahead and name my baby Rapunzel after all because you've shown me it's no different from any other name!"
By the way, I've heard of the name Merida before the movie. I've never even seen the movie, but I know a woman named Merida, so please don't make assumptions.
Depends on where you go to school.
Originally Posted by lawsonhaley
I did sciences in high school and wasn't in any advanced level english class and even I knew who Hamlet, Macbeth, Ophelia were...
Where I grew up, I knew who Ophelia was in childhood.
I wouldn't go around boasting that people in an advanced level English class had no idea who those people were, I have a very hard time believing that. Saying today's generation of teens will not remember the association is a very big generalization and seeing as Shakespeare has been taught in highschools and is a part of the curricula, I'm going to disagree with/disbelieve that.
Shakespeare character will be remembered long after you and I and all our grandchildren have died and it will continue to be taught in highschools all across the world. Most people I went to high school with and generally people who went to different high schools knew who they were.
Looking up birth records of a bunch of irrelevant people most people have never heard of may seem like a lovely idea, but at the end of the day they're still irrelevant.
Umm... I have no problem accepting that you have an opinion (so I have no idea where you got that impression), I can accept that you have an opinion but I have every right to respond to it.
I never said I didn't appreciate your opinions.
I think you have it twisted, maybe you have a problem with me liking the name Rapunzel?, not me having a problem with your opinion, because honestly I don't.
I love how everyone is saying that people are entitled to their opinions but it seems that only people who dislike the name are entitled to their opinions.
Take your own advice.
Disagreeing with something and saying someone shouldn't have an opinion are 2 different things.
Is it going to change my mind no, I'm not trying to change your mind either... I simply respond when I am being addressed or directly quoted
"This is what I think of the name x,y,z... what is this thread still here? Your opinion is silly!" is what I keep hearing
I respond quite frankly as people are directly quoting what I say... what you can do it and I can't?
Lastly, I didn't start this thread... I was simply responding to something someone told me, then a bunch of people jumped on that as well.
Let's turn down the heat a couple of notches. This is an interesting discussion and there's no reason for it to be this tense.
The difference is that you're getting so uptight about people disagreeing with you. How many times do you really need to say "well, rapunzel is the name of a plant like Ivy or Hazel" or "well people still use Shakespeare names even though they're associated with sad situations!" Seriously, how many times do you need to say that? People reply to your comments regarding these, many times giving valid reasons, and you still ignore it! If you don't want to listen to the reasoning behind it, stop replying with the same thing.
Originally Posted by giinkies
Rapunzel has never been common as a first name for girls. That means the association with the storybook character is really strong for many, many people. Since the character is so strong, it immediately brings to mind the negative images of the book.
The difference with something like Hazel and Rapunzel is that Hazel is familiar because it has a history of use as a given name. Rapunzel does not, which makes it more "out there" than Hazel, Ivy, Lily, or Dahlia. Aside from that, Hazel, Ivy, etc. are short and sweet. Rapunzel is long and not as feminine sounding ("ra", "pun" and "zel"), it also doesn't have any cute nicknames aside from Zel/Zella. Rap/Rape certainly isn't pretty, nor is it the association many, many people want with their daughter's name.
I'm sorry Pam...
I'm just responding to comments addressed at me while I have some time on my hands.
I'm not offended and I hope I didn't offend anyone else.
Actually I grew up eating A LOT of Feldsalat (more commonly known in the US as Mache) - our local and very rural vegetable guy sold it as Rapunzel salad (in his super strong Bavarian accent). This actually makes a lot of sense due to its high iron content. The woman, Rapunzel's mother, craved the plant from the Magicians garden and they named her for that plant. Many women (esp before pre-natal vitamins) become anemic during pregnancy. The mother craving mache for its iron content and it thus being Rapunzel salad makes most sense.
Originally Posted by orphanedhanyou
From my copy of the Grimm Brothers Rapunzel "...da erblickte sie ein Beet, das mit den schoensten Rapunzeln bepflanzt war, und sie sahen so frisch und gruen aus, dass sie luestern ward und das groesste Verlangen empfand, von den Rapunzeln zu essen." (rough-ish translation: "there she saw a garden-bed, that was planted with the most beautiful Rapunzel, and it looked so fresh and green that she lusted to eat from this Rapunzel.")
Presumably should the rapunzel that was referenced in the fairy tale not be mache (the other two seem to have more vibrantly colored flowers) the plant would not have been described solely with the color green but instead with purple, or blue or pink or white.
There is no difference, I keep responding to people who are quoting me and disagreeing with me just as you are doing.
Originally Posted by casilda
Generally in a debate, when people give reasons, other people are allowed to disagree with them... I'm drawing analagies to things people are making points of.
If you want to make a point that is fine. Why can't I make mine?
It's funny that you say I keep making the same point over and over, because, well everyone else keeps doing the same thing. It all comes back to Rapunzel being a fairy tale character.
Just because I disagree with your reasoning and do not do as you say, doesn't mean I do not hear it.
And btw, nothing you said in your post hasn't been said already either... so you can take your own advice.
Do as I say and not as I do?
So what you can re-gurgitate other people's point and repeat them but I respond the same thing it is a problem?
If you are going to bring up the rape point again... I can't bring the point that other people also have names with bad associations in it?
of course not, but I'm going to get ridiculed for making my point!
No one is stopping anyone from doing anything. We were asked for our opinions and we gave it. And it wasn't even by you. The OP seemed to have taken our opinion well. Not sure why you can't.
Originally Posted by giinkies
The OP isn't online incase you haven't noticed.
Originally Posted by gabriela
And you can feel free to re-read other people's post and the fact that they were quoting me and not the OP.