just saw a closed thread about this name though i think it lovely, a lil much for a first name and a person would get tired of hearing 'let down your hair'.
but i think its a good middle or great inspiration for a unique first so i went looking.
origins of Rapunzels name may come from various stories, info i got from wiki:
1) Rudaba or Roodabeh is a Persian mythological female figure in Ferdowsi's epic Shahnameh. She is the princess of Kabul, daughter of Mehrab Kaboli, and later she becomes married to Zal, as they become lovers. They had two children, including Rostam, the main hero of the Shahnama.
In Dari language of Darbar (Royal Court) which the shahnameh was written Rud means River and Aab means Water. Therefore her name means she of the River Water.
2) It is difficult to be certain which plant species the Brothers Grimm meant by the word Rapunzel, but the following, listed in their own dictionary,are candidates.
- Valerianella locusta. Rapunzel is called Feldsalat in Germany, Nuesslisalat in Switzerland and Vogerlsalat in Austria. Etty's seed catalogue states Corn Salad (Verte de Cambrai) was in use by 1810.
- Campanula rapunculus is known as Rapunzel-Glockenblume in German.
- Phyteuma spicatum, known as Ährige Teufelskralle in German.
* anyone want to try getting some names out of those scientific plants?
- Nuesslisa, Neusslisala, Neslisa/la, Nuess
- Valeria (yay! a real one!), Valerianel, Valerelle
- also like Etty!
3) An influence on Grimm's Rapunzel was Petrosinella or Parsley, written by Giambattista Basile in his collection of fairy tales in 1634, Lo cunto de li cunti (The Story of Stories), or Pentamerone. A similar story was published in France by Mademoiselle de la Force, called "Persinette".
4) In the collection of short stories "Red As Blood or Tales of the Sisters Grimmer" by Tanith Lee from the year 1983, Rapunzel is called "Jaspre" and the story is called "The Golden Rope."
5) In Kate Forsyth's Bitter Greens, a retelling of the Rapunzel tale, a little girl called Margherita, and renamed Petrosinella, has the red hair of eight other girls sewn onto her own fiery hair by the witch Selena Leonelli.
6) Some elements of the fairy tale might also have originally been based upon the tale of Saint Barbara, who was said to have been locked in a tower by her father.
7) Another Italian tale, Prunella, has the girl steal the food and be captured by a witch.
- since Prune is so popular in France i could see this catching on somewhere. Prefer Plum so in this case Plumelle/a?
8) "Puddocky" is a German fairy tale. A variant, "Cherry," was collected by the Brothers Grimm, and in French, Madame d'Aulnoy retold it in a literary fairy tale as "The White Cat", altering the tale's frog into a cat. Some variants open with the heroine, who is so greedy for one type of food — cherries in Cherry and parsley in Puddocky — that her mother steals it for her. In Puddocky, this is from a witch who demands her daughter, like in Rapunzel. This story is similar to the Frog Princess/Prince.
9) Anthousa, Xanthousa, Chrisomalousa or Anthousa the Fair with Golden Hair is a Greek fairy tale collected by Georgios A. Megas in Folktales of Greece. The heroine's three names mean "Blossoming", "Fair-haired", and "Golden-haired"
- not a fan of 'overly Greek' names so i shorted them to Anthsa, Xantha, & Chrisomal/a.
Though the majority of these arent truly real life usable, my favs are Jaspre, Persinette, Parsley, and the made up Neslisala. I'd prefer the Persian as Radabah to get rid of the 'rude' sound.
ps: a must read is the book Zel - a retelling of the fairy tale by Donna Jo Napoli its fantastic.
Thanks for the information!!!
My favorites are : Rapunzel, Persinette, Neslisala ( love it, nn Nessie is fantastic, too bad is made up :-( ) .
now seeing this.
I absolutely LOVE the name Rapunzel.
People name their children Aurora, Briar, Merida, Belle, Ariel, Khaleesi and a ton of Shakespeare inspired names.
What is the difference with/stigma against Rapunzel?
I think it is a lovely first name and I did see the plant association when I looked it up and I fully agree... people name their children after plants all the time (looking at you Lily, Dahlia, Clover, Daisy), why discriminate against this?
You love Hazel and tolerate Rafaela... Rapunzel falls into the same category stylistically.
Before you go along the lines of it is a fairy tale, you ever heard of the name Merida before the movie? Didn't think so!
I read this on the other thread
"it's still a rather grim story about imprisonment, torment and depression."
Ophelia in Shakespeare killed herself... what is your point?
Romeo and Juliet both killed themselves?
Ariel in its original form (from the original little mermaid story) is a depressing tale as well, but it is also a name from Shakespeare.
The name may have been around a long time before but Ariel is originally a male name (from Shakespeare), the female version has the original little mermaid depressing tale as a name sake.
Not again. The fact is that many people think the name Rapunzel is ridiculous. We were asked for our opinions so we gave it. I would never name a child this, just as I would never name a child Popeye or Gilligan. The names just have too much of a connection to the character.
By the way, neither Ariel nor Ophelia were invented by Shakespeare so the analogy is irrelevant.
I have to agree with this. Rapunzel is like Cinderella or Snow White imo. You wouldn't name your child that, would you? The names you listed have legitimate backgrounds and birth records. Ottilie was the name of a serial killer in the 1920's, but that name's still used. Delphine was the name of a woman who tortured and killed slaves in the 1830's, but that's used.
Originally Posted by gabriela
Plus that, there are in fact positive Ophelia namesakes. (courtesy of britishbabynames.com)
* Ophelia Alcantara Dimalanta (1932– 2010) was a Philippine poet and author.
* Ophelia Lovibond (b.1986) is a British actress.
* Ophelia Dahl is a social justice and healthcare equity promoter, daughter of author Roald Dahl and actress Patricia Neal.
* Ophelia Marie is a popular Dominican singer of Cadence-lypso.
* Ophelia S. Lewis (b.1961) is a Liberian author and humaniarian.
Ophelia was first used nearly 100 years BEFORE Shakespeare even used it, and it's a Greek name meaning help. (Not to mention Rapunzel opens up to rape jokes, I'm a teenager from a rougher high school, trust me, rape will come up if you in fact use Rapunzel).
Juliet Aubrey, a British actress
Juliet Cesario, an American character actress
Juliet Haslam (born 1969), an Australian field hockey player
Juliet Huddy (born 1969), an American journalist
Juliet Landau, an American actress
Juliet Richardson (born 1980), an American musician
Juliet Simms, an American musician
Mademoiselle Juliette, best known as Juliette, a pop singer
Juliette (singer), Canadian singer and TV personality of the 1950s-1970s
Juliette Binoche, French actress
Juliette Gréco, French actress and chanson singer
Juliette Lewis, American actress and musician (born 1973)
Juliette Récamier, French socialite (1777–1849)
Juliette Noureddine, French singer, usually known as Juliette.
Juliette Gordon Low, founder of the Girl Scouts
You were saying about Ophelia and Juliet only being linked to depressing story lines? ;)
Rapunzel is a common name for Valerianella locusta in Germany... again not invented by the creator of the story (wasn't the point of my analagy).
just like Lily, Dahlia it is a plant name.
The point of my analagy was that just like Rapunzel is strongly linked to the story... so is Ophelia.
The name is strongly linked to the character... I never read Shakespeare as a child and even I knew Ophelia was the woman who drowned herself in water.
I think lots of people give their children ridiculous names... have you read this forum or caught up with pop culture lately?
Doesn't stop people from liking the name and giving it to their child.
Celebs aren't the only people who give their children ridiculous names, they're just the most high profile ones.
My point was... they were linked to depressing story lines and people still decided to use it regardless!
Btw every single example of a name sake you gave was given after Shakespeare made the character famous.
It's real nice that you made a list of irrelevant people I have never heard of... but when you generally mention Juliet or Ophelia, the common person doesn't think of them off the top of their head.
They go to the internet and make a list of it.
200 years from now all those people will be irrelevent but the Shakespeare namesake will still be relevant.
The rape association I can get behind... but still it doesn't stop people from naming their child Virginia (Virgin) or Gina (Vagina)
This is an association that is food for thought, but other names have bad associations as well
and people do name their child Snow... what is your point?
Well, I've just finished high school, we NEVER read Hamlet in school, and, when it was suggested to us, my classmates (in an advanced level English course) had NO IDEA who or what the play was about. Let alone that an Ophelia was in it. Today's generation of teens isn't likely to remember a Shakespearean character they read about in high school (my class didn't). It's not a list of 'irrelevant' people, it's proof that those associations mean nothing to a lot of people. Plus that, finding any birth records from the 1500-1600's is close to impossible.
Originally Posted by giinkies
Quite honestly, I think you're just someone defending a name you like, however, you need to accept that we've been asked our opinions, and, not to mention, you didn't even create this thread. You don't have to like our opinions, and we don't have to understand/see why you like Rapunzel.