LoungeLemon, if you feel that the owners of a community should post only facts about a name, there are TONS of other sites. Behindthename is one of the most accurate, I believe. Strictly the facts.
What makes nameberry special IS the commentary. Its like a chance to feel the pulse of what's going on name-wise at any given moment. Is this name generally considered dated, hip, boring, trashy? Those are cool things to know. Not everyone is always going to agree and that's ok too. Doesn't mean there shouldnt be opinions at all. Rather then getting up in arms because someone insulted a name you like, you can instead consider it enlightening. "Huh. I find Agatha so elegant. I didn't realize that it makes others think of hags." I bet most people choose a name are more concerned with the general feel and opinions towards the name they choose rather then the straight up history of it.
If you dont like that about nameberry, cool. Check out somewhere else instead, because it is something that sets nameberry apart from other name databases.
One problem is that with any fashionable thing, it can change quickly, and could be difficult to keep up with. Maybe a couple months ago Doris was the very definition of frump, but now it might be the next up-and-coming hipster choice. That's why Pam and Linda need our opinions too.
That said, I'm American, and I've never heard of this Melita as a coffee filter thing. I think you are safe to use it. ;)
Let me preface by saying, I love the community here. I know what I'm going to say might annoy Pam and Linda.
Persephnoe's description bothers me. A while back I mentioned that I had asked them to change certain Greek names and they do for a while then they get changed back. This is a perfectly good example. I asked them to change it so that it was actually correct, factual information and not the weird mix or Roman and Greek names with inaccurate meanings and titles, and they did. Now it's exactly like it used to be so I'll try again.
Persephone says -- Persephone is the esoteric name of the Greek mythological daughter of Zeus by Demeter, the queen of the harvest. After she was kidnapped by Pluto to be Queen of the Underworld, it was decreed by Jupiter that she would spend six months of the year with her mother, allowing crops to grow, and six in mourning, thus accounting for the seasons.
Despite the mixed message of her mythological past, Persephone has a light and lyrical aura, and pleasant associations with springtime and the harvest — she was also goddess of Spring. Persephone was seen in the Matrix movies, played by Monica Bellucci, and could make an interesting replacement for the overused Stephanie.
This is completely wrong in that the names are wrong, Persephone isn't the goddess of the Spring, nor does her name mean "bringing death".
Point one -- She was kidnapped by Hades (Pluto is the Roman name). It was decreed by Zeus (Jupiter is the Roman name and they just used Zeus further up so I don't see the confusion here for them).
Point 2 -- She is not the goddess of Spring. The goddess of Springtime is Eirene. Persephone is the goddess of Spring growth.
Point 3 -- The meaning of Persephone is unknown. the -phone ending suggests a connection with sound and speaking and the Perse part means "dark blue". It has nothing to do with "bringing death" so I'd appreciate it if the meaning could at least say "unknown" or "Greek mythological name" like all the other god/goddess names on here.
This bothers me because it was changed to be correct at one point, and now it's back again like this. This is my religion and it makes me feel very upset to see it twisted and changed and to feel like no one cares whether my religious information is correct or not.
I'm sorry I sound so angry, I hope you're not terribly offended. I just want the same respect and correctness for my religious names as you show to the Christian names.
These don't necessarily bother me, but since this thread is getting more attention than the "What names have we missed" I thought I stick them here.
Ariadne -- I'd love if her pronunciation were added. air-ee-add-nee.
Artemis -- The description says "Artemis is the ancient goddess of the moon and the hunt, equivalent to the Roman Diana, but a fresher and more distinctive, if offbeat, choice. Artemis was the twin sister of Apollo, one of the twelve deities who lived on Mount Olympus. She is also the goddess of children and all weak things..."
It should say she's the goddess of Virgin goddess of the hunt, wilderness, animals, young girls, childbirth and plague. In later times she became associated with the moon.
Demeter -- She isn't just the goddess of agriculture. She's goddess of grain, agriculture and the harvest, growth and nourishment.
Gaia -- you have it listed as gay-uh or guy-uh. The first is wrong. It's only guy-uh
Hestia -- She is actually the goddess of the hearth, home and chastity.
Psyche -- in her description, you say "loved by Cupid". This is Greek, not Roman, so it should say "loved by Eros". She also became the goddess of the soul.
Xanthe -- this is one I've asked to be fixed repeatedly. It is pronounced ZAN-thee. Not either of the ways you have it listed.
Apollo -- you have him listed as medicine, music, and poetry. He's really God of light, music, arts, knowledge, healing, plague and darkness, prophecy, poetry, purity, athletism, manly beauty, and enlightenment.
Atlas -- he carries the sky on his shoulders, not the world.
Eros -- god of love AND Sexual Intercourse
Dionysius -- This is just wrong. It's Dionysus (you've added an I that shouldn't be there)
Hermes -- he's not just a messenger. He's the God of boundaries, travel, communication, trade, thievery, trickery, language, writing, diplomacy, athletics, and animal husbandry.
Pan -- He's the god of shepherds, pastures, and fertility. It would be nice to see it. Pan also means "all" not feather and it's where the word Panic comes from.
Zeus -- He's not just the supreme god. He's also god of the sky, weather, thunder, lightning, law, order, and fate.
I know I'm being picky, but like I said, this is my religion and I would love it if it could get the same respect and attention the Christian names on here do. I don't want to feel like the site is a bit insensitive towards people who are not Christian or Jewish. I love this site and I love the work Pam and Linda put into it, but I just think it would be nice to see the full, factual information added when it's pointed out please. Thank you and I appreciate you guys.
Dantea - thanks for listing those. I've never bothered to look up the Greek Gods and Goddesses because I was so obsessed with them when I was a teen - so looking them up on a name-site seemed unnecessary- but I think the problems you pointed out are all fairly obvious even to the most cursory knowledge and definitely could do with a sprucing up to reflect and honor an ancient religion like yours.
Eros could also be listed as the god of emotional and physical love if that makes it more palatable to a general audience.
The English word erotic is derived from the Greek eros (you can look this up in the Chambers Dictionary of Etymology) which makes this addition in particular all the more desirable.
Dantea- you beat me to it. I was going to post about Persephone and Artemis, I love those names and it bothers me so much. "All weak things"- seriously? No, just no.
BTW I Love Persephone Elysia Willow! So beautiful!
Names on Nameberry that have been listed as German but would be more accurately described as Germanic:
Adelaide (F) -
Adelaide is the English/French version of the German name Adelheid.
Adela (F) -
Adela is Ancient Germanic. The famous St Adela from the 7th century was a Frankish Princess.
Adelia (F) -
Portuguese/Italian variation of Adela/Adele. (behindthename.com & vorname.com)
Alice (F) -
This is another name with Germanic origins, it seems to be a English variant of the German Adelheid or Heidi. (behindthename.com & vorname.com)
Amilia (F) -
Vornamen.de has this listed as Dutch version of Emilia.
Anastasie (F) -
This is so close to the Russian Anastasia I'm not sure why it pops up under German origin names. Just FYI: Stasi is not a positive term to most Germans as it was the abbreviation used for the Ministry for State Security (or the East German Police). This might be a reason it's hard to find information on German origins on the name now though - it would probably sound too Russian and oppressive.
Haldis (F) -
vorname.com and baby-vornamen.de both list Haldis as a Scandinavian name.
Vischer (M) -
the translation to "fisherman" seems unlikely since the correct German spelling is Fischer. I'd be interested in your sources for this name since it would have to be a form of archaic German that'd I'd love to learn more about.
Abelard (M) -
I searched Vorname.com, behidnthename.com and baby-vornamen.de. None of these sites list this name. However, vorname.com and baby-vornamen.de list Abelarda (f) and Abelardo (m) as italian in origin.
Abt (M) -
This is a German masculine world referring to the Abbot at a Monastery. (Duden.de) I however, was not able to find evidence that this was used as a name in Germany - which considering the restrictions on naming that were in place till a few years ago would seem surprising if it was in fact a german name.
Adelio (M) -
I just assume this is the male version of Adelia which is Italian/Portuguese. How is Adelio then German?
Agedius (M) -
Aegedius is listed on behindthename.com as late Roman.
Amory (M/F) -
from the french Amaury. The German male equivalent is listed by baby-vornamen.de as Emmerich.
Baer (M) -
behindthename.com suggests its Limburgish vorname.de and baby-vornamen.de do not list it although it is the German word for Bear. (Which would make sense because until very recently it probably would not have been considered an appropriate name for a person by the German government.)
Berlin (M) -
The translation to the word borderline seems incorrect. According to Onomastik.com/on_geschichte_berlin the area that is now the German Capital can be traced to the word-root brl- that can be understood as "swamp" and the typical location suffix ending of -n. Which would make Berlin the Town by the Swamp.
Names found with different spellings: Alfried and Alwar (both of these make more sense to the German language but I couldn't find evidence that Alfrid or Alvar were not german).
Hi Dantea -- I'm going to revisit all the names you listed. In some cases, we won't add every single thing the deity is god of, not to be disrespectful but in the interest of brevity and focus on the name itself. Dantea, I would seriously love it if you would write a guest blog for us giving lots more detail on all these names! It's such an interesting topic and you are definitely the expert.
And just to let everyone know, you are going to see big changes on Nameberry over the next few weeks, so forgive us if we don't have time to address individual name issues asap.
Dantea, I've devoted the past two hours to making most of the changes you suggested. A few notes: the erroneous "feather" meaning for Pan was because of a glitch in our system that combines two origins and meanings of a name as in the books to a single entity with the first origin and the last meaning -- big mistake! We've had to catch those by trial and error so glad we finally tracked this one down.
On Dionysius, this spelling is in fact not just our error in adding an extra i but a Romanized spelling widely used throughout the centuries.
On Persephone, I remember making those changes before and I'm not sure what happened, but I remade them. I'm sorry but most authoritative sources do list "bringing death" or murder or destruction as a possible meaning so I had to include that, but I also included your interpretation and changed the main meaning.
Let me know if I've missed anything. As I've told you before, I am happy to address your concerns.
Ethel - more negative than I think it should be
Janelle - it just says "much trendier to drop the first syllable and go with Elle" but that isn't helpful at all
Wow, how did I miss this thread?
I don't agree with the negativity towards "soft" boy names (or that some are flat out not acknowledged, like Greer) but in Pam & Linda's world it may be true that boys can't wear those names. But, their world is not my world and it may or may not be yours. Everyone's knowledge and opinions are limited by culture, nationality, race/ethnicity, religion, age, and etc- including the 'experts'. If their descriptions don't work for you, take them with a grain of salt or just ignore them. I rarely look at the descriptions because they are the opinions 2 people who have almost nothing in common with me. That's why the forums are so great- variety of opinions from people of various walks of life
Glad to see the outright offensive descriptions changed. Some of the terminology was totally inappropriate.