Oh man. Otters are such mercurial critters! Stay on target or you'll get your flippers all in a muddle!
So can you say definitely
Shall we eliminate Perlascura? Thalia Tinuviel is really great. I think it wants something a little biting on the end. I vote
Thalia Tinuviel Yvaine or
Thalia Tinuviel Iris
Aquila has the right bite, but the rhythm is a little off imo.
Gwenllian Arcadia Yvaine is lovely, but but but.... Gwenllian Arcadia is such a babbling brook. Might be great with something fuller at the end:
Gwenllian Arcadia Millaray (the two Ls and voweliness keep the name bouncing along)
Gwenllian Arcadia Sylvaine (Sylvaine has the right rhythm, and it amps up the lush green imagery of Arcadia)
My flappers are in a muddle already... He thinks the names are too "out there" again. Why is he doing this to me, and only two months before Baby comes? And I'm the manic depressive one... argh, I am so mad I want to do something slightly mean. Like naming our child on my own when it comes... Not married, so I have all the power. I'm giving him some time to find something (preferably already on the list), and in the mean time I love Gwenllian Arcadia Millaray and Thalia Tinuviel Yvaine. Thanks Emmsie-Bemmsie!
Oh rats. Sorry you're frustrated! Most people only have to worry about naming one baby- you're tackling ten at once. I can see where your boyfriend might get overwhelmed. I think pulling the "we're not married" card... well you HAVE made a huge commitment to this baby, so you two are bound for life in that way whether or not you're married. I think you're such a doll Ottilie, so I want to take your side, but I think that kicking him out of the naming process because you're not married would be a low blow. What's to keep you from pulling that card any time you two have conflict over the kids, if you don't set a precept of acting as a unit?*
That said, it sounds like he's being a little bitch. Surely there's one girl name and one boy name that he can get behind. That's all you need at this point, realistically. They are all so so beautiful, and you've put so much care into them. Boyfriend better put on his papa pants and come up with something constructive!
Nah I was just upset. I've barely seen him the last few days, he's obsessive and, frankly, quite mean when he works, so I've avoided him. I'd never do the naming on my own, his opinion is very important to me. I do love him even when he's a bitch, and I'm not that kind of person. Just frustrated and angry and depressed. Thank you for setting me straight though, and your sweet words.
He's fine with the boy names, and apparently Illyria (crying works) so I've got one, and as you say that is all I need. Ceridwen is still on the table as well, but saving that one for a winter's day... He likes Rosamond (and after reading cosmo's thread I've sort of fallen in love with that again) so maybe that would be good as well and Fiammetta. So it isn't starting all over again, it's basically taking a step or two back.
Also, the top 5 thing, his idea because he knows what he's like and how difficult he can be. I'd be happy with two or three.
Honestly I was wondering if Perlascura and Nimue and the like were going over well. Good relationships often work this way, where one partner reigns in the excesses of another. ;) It's obviously quite frustrating if you're the one being reigned in, though.
I think, perhaps, adding in some of the family names will give the whole combination balance? It's wonderful to imbue your baby's name with this dreamy, artistic, mythological, evocative feel, but it's equally important to anchor Baby to the here & now and to his/her specific, unique bloodlines too. I think if you pair a really striking, unusual name with a more grounded classic it can help the both of them shine-- it subtracts the 'oddness' out of the unusual name, letting its beautiful qualities take center stage, and can help the common name be looked at in a new light.
Good points, Bladey! The more I think about it, I'm the one to blame. He clearly told me earlier he wanted more namey names, and I lured him back in. So, we're looking at names previously mentioned, and trying to find less crazy names for the middles.I will definitely want to use some of the glorious ones you suggested (Millaray!) to do some naming after people, and use Clemency, Constance and names like that as well. I think it will work out fine. Just got frustrated.
How's the water Otter?
Hope you're taking a breath here and there. Illyria and Rosamond are wonderful, if it comes down to those two. I'm glad to hear you're not making any drastic baby name decrees! Hang in there and take your cod liver oil like a good Norwegian to ward off the blues. Your people know something about surviving dark days.
The water's fresh and lovely, Emmsie, I'm jumping around and eating fish with both my hands ;)
We're getting there... he's in a slightly better mood (we went to the worst antenatal class yesterday and both laughed our heads off on the way home). Turns out he's just a whiny bitch. I told him to find better names for me, and he didn't. He wants the names to feel more "British" though (??) so I've agreed to having at least one British name (he's ok with Welsh ones, so I'm having a ball hunting beauties!) and he wants a name that's "normal" in the combo, in case they will hate being named Hespera or Gwenllian or whatever. So that is what I'm doing, you know, between the baths and taking my cod liver oil.
By the way, I might borrow Ywen from you...
Heehee! Fish in the bath!
Well I can't wait to see your new "British" names, though I can't imagine you with a little Prunella, Nigel or Rupert, Tabitha, Pip...
Yes of course you should borrow lovely Ywen. I'm sad to be putting him aside, and I might feel better if he had a good home. He does feel very.. UK. A bit more subdued than say, Odysseus, but I think he'd be a nice fit for an Otter pup.
Just thought of Pallas for you, ("palace") as in Pallas Athena. MN material perhaps.
Pallas is very cool, I have been thinking about it... No Pip or Prunella, no, we're thinking more Olwen, Elaine, those names. He just wants something he feels more "connected" to. It also helps him to have some artwork or literature to connect a name to, he's not as mythology crazy as I am. He does love stars though, so he's said yes to Maia (falls into the more normal category)!