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WHEN MOM HATES YOUR BABY’S NAME

Journalist Laura Dunphy, today’s guest blogger, enlightens us on what might not be so bad about your Mom hating your baby’s name.

Angry Old LadyMy mother hates my daughter’s name.

And – don’t tell her this, please – I think it’s made me a better person.

My husband and I always thought that if we had a girl we’d call her Sophie Madeline. But when I was expecting our daughter, we decided we’d rather balance the growing popularity of Sophie with a more distinctive French name in the middle: Mireille.

When we officially announced the arrival of Sophie Mireille, my poshest friends raved. “What a lovely, very French-sounding name!” my globetrotting European pal Beatriz enthused. Mireille is a fantastic, seriously underused name,” said Ann, an editor at a major entertainment magazine. My former boss Michelle, a retail executive who is always fabulously attired and never hands out an insincere compliment, gushed endlessly about how much she loved it. Oh, the delight!

Leave it to my mother to put an end to my glee. As we sat chatting around the dinner table one night, she mentioned that a family friend’s daughter, Zoe, was being called Zozo. I scrunched my face and asked, “Zozo? What kind of a nickname is that? It’s not even shorter than the original name.” To which my mother replied, “I don’t think you should be saying anything about anyone’s name.”

Stunned, I asked for an explanation, only to be informed that Mireille was not a real name. I believe my mother’s exact words were, “It’s horrible. We hate it.” My father nodded in solemn agreement. Apparently at some point over the course of the previous decade, I’d mentioned the name Sophie Madeline, and my parents had gotten attached to their vision of a fantasy granddaughter. As in, one with a name they had heard of before.

Efforts to defend Mireille got me nowhere. First, I said that plenty of people probably thought my mother made up Therese, my middle name.  Therese was a saint, my mother replied, as if God had given a stamp of approval to the name.

Well, Frederic Mistral, the poet credited with creating the name Mireille, won the Nobel Prize, I countered. When my mom pointed out that I’d just admitted that Mireille was in fact a made-up name, I could only muster the defense that it wasn’t made up by me.

I was suddenly overcome by a sense of calm. My husband and I loved our baby daughter’s name, a combination of ten years of dreaming plus a splash of confident creativity. And if I wouldn’t let my mother buy my clothes, why would I let her name my baby? So I sat back in my chair and announced, “You got to name your children, now we get to name ours. We don’t care if you like it.” Fair enough, my parents said, and peace was restored.

This experience made me realize how easy it is to be hurt or offended when someone doesn’t share a passion for a name. I’ve been guilty of it myself, whether accidentally deflating a new mother’s excitement when I told her that her baby William is now the third one we know or saying it’s strange to call Zoe “Zozo”. Since I’ve been on the receiving end of a harsh review, I’d much rather focus on the positive, for the sake of the new parents as well as my own. That’s why I now stick to a code of ethics when it comes to other people’s baby names:

*If a baby’s been born and named, I let it go. No sense in telling a friend all the nicknames baby Linus could be subjected to if she’s holding him in her arms. It’s best to assume she thought it through, and her pros outweighed my cons.

*I ask myself whether my opinion is wanted. Is a friend bouncing her Top 10 list off me because I have a young child and she truly wants advice, or has she decided and wants to feel some love? Hard as it is for me to understand, some people want their children to have names that start with the same initial, or sound almost exactly the same, or have unusual spellings. Unless I’m confident my opinion is wanted and welcome, there’s no sense in trying to make someone share my style.

*If I can’t find something nice to say, I try harder. Everybody wants to hear that people like their baby’s name, but the fact is some people won’t. So when I don’t like a name, I try to look on the bright side. Maybe the first-middle-last is honestly harmonious, or it’s so touching that the child was named after a family member. When all else fails, I repeat the name and say in an impressed tone, “Sounds like you’ve got a future – Supreme Court Justice/ CEO/ tennis champ – on your hands!” (Special thanks to Barack Obama, because any name goes with President now.) And even if I have to stretch the truth to utter any of those words, at least I can muster genuine enthusiasm from the fact that they didn’t choose one of my favorites.

Since our Big Name Debate, my mother has encountered a couple of people who’ve known Mireilles. It’s done nothing to help my cause. In fact, the other night, while my two-year-old daughter slept soundly in her room, my mother called to tell me that she was mortified at a luncheon when a friend asked her Sophie’s middle name. According to her, the reaction around the table of her peers was unanimously unenthused and confused: “What kind of a name is that?” “Is it French?” How do you spell it?”

And that’s just fine with me.

As a journalist, Laura Dunphy has covered everything from Hollywood celebrities to the U.S. Congress.  She lives in New York City with her husband, daughter and dog.

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38 Responses to “WHEN MOM HATES YOUR BABY’S NAME”
susan Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 2:30 am

Love your blog! And I genuinely love the name Sophie Mireille! My mother didn’t like our son’s middle name. His name is Peter Sebastian. But it seems to have grown on her. My father, my M-I-L, and my uncle and aunt didn’t like Sebastian either. I don’t think my husband even liked it, although he pretended to. Now my husband likes the name Sebastian. Plus my father and M-I-L didn’t like the name Peter.
Six years later I got pregnant again. If it turned out to be a girl, I was going to name her Gillian. My sister said no, you can’t name her Gillian because my daughter is Julia and those two names mean the same thing. Eventually I came up with Laura Elizabeth. How benign is that? My sister wanted me to name my baby Laura Kathleen, Kathleen after her first name. But Elizabeth was my mother’s middle name and my husband and I loved it. Then we had a little girl and named her Laura Elizabeth. And we didn’t care what people thought. But most of our relatives loved our baby’s name.

xgravity23 Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 5:40 am

This is great to hear. I love your retort, and I plan on using it, should the need arise. My husband and I have selected some very foreign/created names (Xabi, Sebastian, Baileen, Lavenza) and I expect to be met with lots of criticism. Oh well! It’s our turn to choose names! :)

Kim Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 6:09 am

Thanks so much for your Blog!
I am due in 4 weeks with my first (baby Girl) and my Mom and sister havn’t liked the name I have choosen for her but my husband and I agreed on it pretty much the second we found out I was Pregnant!
I have always been the black sheep of the family so I say whatever!! Its like you said theyu have named there kids this time its my turn!! Thanks for the extra vote of cofidence!!

phaedraP Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 8:24 am

I went through the same process. With my first child, I didn’t disclose the name to anyone but a couple of select friends until the baby was born, because I simply couldn’t bear the weigh of anyone’s judgment, should they dislike the name.

Now, expecting kid #3, I don’t really care. It’s freeing, isn’t it? We’re all adults, and we’re free to disagree about what name is great and which one is awful.

It’s also important to remember that when someone proudly announces their baby’s name, and it bugs me. Thanks for the reminder!

Em Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 8:25 am

How do you pronounce Mireille? I used to know French pronunciation, but I’m rusty!

Pam Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 8:34 am

It’s meer-RAY, Em, with the first syllable pronounced like the first of mirror.

Joan Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 8:55 am

Thanks so much for this great blog–something so relevant to all of us who are expecting!

I wanted to add that standing firm about a name you love even if Mom doesn’t like it can be a huge help to your siblings or other family members. My sister’s son was born a year ago and she paved the way for me by naming her son Adonijah, even in the face of harsh criticism from my mom (and pretty much everyone else). Because my sis had the guts to stand up for a name she loves, it will be so much easier for my parents to accept whatever name my husband and I choose for our baby, due this fall!

JustADad Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 9:21 am

My wife and I horrified our families by simply refusing to discuss names with them. We had seen other family members suffer through months of opinionated debate and we decided we didn’t want to endure that, or frankly give people the sense that they got to vote. We didn’t announce our choices until the kids were born. Now, we didn’t pick unusual names, but no one has ever complained about our choices, because they were a done deal by the time they were announced. This gave us great peace of mind, even if it drove our mothers crazy.

By the way, I think Sophie Mireille is a lovely name. I knew a Mireille once (she was from Quebec). No disrespect intended, but Laura’s mom needs to let this go and move on or she is going to end up wounding her granddaughter’s feelings when she gets older. Does she want her granddaughter knowing she hates her name? How will that make Sophie feel? She ought to be telling her lunch group “It’s a lovely name for a lovely girl”, regardless of how she feels about it.

Toni Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 9:21 am

Mireille is beautiful!

My FIL hates my DD’s name. MIL and my parents aren’t thrilled with it, but at least they’re nice about it. FIL makes no mistake that he thinks we made a bad choice and even went so far as to suggest “better” names when he first heard our choice (after she was born). She’s 2.5 months old now and I can’t think of her as anything other than my little Sylvia.

I have also used the “You named your children, now it’s my turn” line.

olivekit Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 9:26 am

I can relate.

My mother doesn’t like any of my girl’s names. Courtney Olive, called Olive – the only positive thing she had to say, was that at least I had the common sense to give her a real first name and when she hates being called Olive (and my mom has no doubts that she will) she can be called Courtney. Plus, a funny conversation about if I was naming my daughter after a fruit? or vegetable? in the hospital room.

With Kit, my mom couldn’t believe I would name her just Kit. Katherine or Kaitlin would be best to put on the birth certificate, she said over and over again even though I told her I didn’t care for those names and we were fine with her just being Kit.

But she loves my girls – no matter what their names are!

I’m expecting my 3rd daughter any day now and my mom ran across a list that I had on the counter of baby names. I meant to hide it and she said she liked them. I was like what?. I have to rethink them! haha

robynkit Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 10:26 am

Good points, all. Not everyone is going to like every name and it’s just not worth injured feelings in the family. The truth is that you are an adult and can name your baby anything you like and they did get to name theirs what they wanted, so be it.
My MIL had a boss she didn’t like named Phil and guess what we named our son? She was gracious and never said anything negative about Philip’s name. I’ve never forgotten her graciousness about it and it’s a lesson for me if I’m in the same boat!
My daughter is having a boy today–and his name will be Seth. The father knew a guy named Seth that he didn’t like but he said he knows that guy didn’t name himself and this will be a different and great little Seth.

Elle Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 10:38 am

I love baby name discussion, and with both of my pregnancies I was open to discussing our name ideas with the family, but I have learned my lesson. Next time around we will be saving the name for after the birth.

With my second son we told the family (with about 3 months to go in my pregnancy) that we had decided on Milo. I thought, and still do, that Milo is a lovely name, and wasn’t expecting to hear so much criticism. Well, ALL of my family instantly proceeded to tell us how awful it was, ask if we needed help thinking of better names, a few even bought us baby name books! But once Milo was born, and he must have been a few weeks old, everyone spontaneously agreed that, he did infact resemble a Milo, and they couldn’t imagine him with any other name.

Jaime Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 10:49 am

A great blog today – one that many of us can relate to. If we have a third, I think we’ll keep our chosen names to ourselves until after the birth – my MIL was very opinionated about all of our name ideas for the first two pregnancies (although she never mentioned anything negative about them once the babies arrived). My husband’s great response to her unsolicited opinions was, “That’s nice. Who asked you?” ;) Btw, Mireille is lovely. I’ve only known one in real life (a native french speaker) and it’s the perfect complement to Sophie.

Laura Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 11:27 am

Thanks, all, for the support! (Of both my strategy and the name Mireille…)

I’m glad to hear that so many of you are sticking to the choices you love.

Lots of posts touch on the to-tell-or-not-to-tell question. After all I have seen, I would say do NOT tell your choices in advance. We mentioned Sophie Madeline to my parents, and I think a lot of their reaction to Mireille was disappointment because they liked Madeline and knew what they were missing. Maybe if they hadn’t known the alternative, they might not have reacted so strongly. But other than my parents and two very close friends, we just told people we had chosen our top 3 for boys and girls years ago, and we wouldn’t be telling anyone anything until the baby was born. That strategy worked out nicely for us.

JustADad – great reminder on the impact the negativity could have on Sophie – my mom and I had that conversation as well. The peace treaty states that no remarks about “Mireille” are allowed when Sophie is anywhere in the building!

Jen @ blissfully caffeinated Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 12:33 pm

Personally, I’m kind of pleased when my mom hates the baby name suggestions we make. I think that means we’re on the right track. Because her idea of a great baby name is stuck firmly in the late 70’s. I’m pregnant now with girl #3 and we do not tell anyone the names we are considering. We’ve learned that we don’t want to hear the comments.

Jen @ blissfully caffeinated Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 12:34 pm

Oh also – LOVE Mireille.

ScarlettsMom Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 12:39 pm

Wow, good on you hun! I would be devastated to hear those comments from my parents and I’m not sure if I could have come up with such a strong response (but thanks to you, now I’m armed.)

About “Mireille” being a made-up name… aren’t all names really made-up? I mean, “Wendy” was made up by James Barrie for Peter Pan, and I doubt she would have thrown that in your face if you said you were thinking about Wendy for the name.

Gigi Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 1:39 pm

My mother hates my neice Margaret’s nick name Mara. Well she did in the begining and refused to call her Mara. I think since then she has called her Mara,I should pay attention to that.

Boston Girl Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 2:59 pm

Odd that Mireille isn’t better known, what with our historical fascination for all things European and especially French. I love the name myself; I used it for one of my characters.

If I do have a baby, I expect I won’t tell anyone till the child is born (if I can keep myself from talking about it, seeing how much I love the subject of names). I already have names picked out. If I were to wind up with a boy, his name would be Christian Stephen. The middle name is for my late dad; the first name is simply because I love the sound of the name, since I’m an atheist. Mom is firmly religious, and we’ve already had a long chat in regard to the differences in our beliefs, so she’d probably find it very ironic to have a grandson named Christian…more so because I prefer the full name to the nn.

I’d prefer a daughter since I already have two stepsons. Her name would be Susina Skye. If it happens, I’m going to find the subsequent reaction very interesting. :)

ailsa gray Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 4:20 pm

Very interesting blog indeed, and acute obvservations. It is a touchy subject. I am probably older than all you young things out there – my days of pregnancy are sadly over – but I live with my 88 year old mother, and much as I love her dearly, if she says (for example) that my hair is looking lovely, or she loves an outfit the grandchildren has picked, we get a bit worried and check in the mirror quickly. It is natural, names come and go in waves, and the previous generation is often still stuck in a time warp. It is, however, very rude and hurtful to voice these opinions so strongly. I hope I will be able to bite my tongue if necessary when my teenagers get round to their naming of babies. (I joke with them now that they have to explain to their spouses that it is a tradition in the Gray family for the Maternal Grandmother – i.e. me – to choose the babies names). It IS a joke, though!

I think Mireille is pretty – pronouned Mirr-AY (sort of). There used to be a beautiful French singer called Mireille Matthieu, with the most wonderful voice.

I love Olive and Kit too, and Susina Skye is very interesting. As for Olive being “made up”, it was a Christian name for girls long, long before Courtney, which to my ears, sounds quite American and modern!

I think all these grumpy grannies need to be given copies of BEYOND JENNIFER AND JASON, BEYOND J & J, MADISON AND MONTANA and now BEYOND AVA AND AIDEN, for their next birthday or Christmas present! That will cure them!

ps my copy of Beyond A & A arrived in the post today – very very excited.

Lauren Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 5:02 pm

I love this blog! It is a very touchy subject for me… I have considered baby names a hobby since I was around 13. Everyone in my family has always thought it was weird, and, now 21 and married, any time I throw out a name they usually disagree and tell me it’s horrible. My husband and I have talked about not announcing the name til birth, it seems like the best option b/c people’s comments honestly hurt my feelings, especially when my names aren’t very outlandish. Of course, my family thinks that anything besides the 50 Caylen/McKayla’s we know is unordinary!

JustADad Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 9:49 pm

Most of our friends are parents. Among those who decided to keep the name to themselves until birth (or adoption), none regret doing so. (I asked.) Among those who opened the names up to discussion, several wished they’d kept the name to themselves because intrusive parental opinion. (This was volunteered when we said we’d kept our names secret every time–that getting familial validation simply wasn’t worth the drama.) Not a scientific survey but I’m just saying.

Charlotte Vera Says:

July 22nd, 2009 at 1:54 am

Wonderful, wonderful post! I personally have stopped asking expectant mothers what they’re planning on naming their children. I love names, but would not want to inflict my highly critical opinions on any soon-to-be-parent’s cherished favourite. When my husband and I were expecting our first (born this April) we did tell people what we were planning on naming her simply because we had decided to name her after my deceased mother-in-law. We figured that, should anyone dislike the name, they would refrain from telling us so due to the sentiment behind our decision.

However, we do not, and have not, told people our favourite boy name.

Kate Says:

July 22nd, 2009 at 2:35 am

I am the mother of 4 with number 5 on the way. When my 2nd daughter (3rd child) was born, my parents disliked her name so much that they refused to call her by her name but said, ‘the baby’ or just ‘baby.’

Fortunately, we moved to Africa when my daughter was only 1 yr old. She is six now, and my parents must call her by name to save face. It took them a long time to accept her name– Butterfly. I love her name, and I knew it was her name from the moment DH chose it for a girl, if baby turned out to be such.

Now that I have a 5th baby on the way, my parents are asking for my name choices. I’m still searching, but they are putting a great deal of pressure on me, and for fear of something ‘embarrassing.’

I live in Africa, my kids are homeschooled so they don’t have ‘peer pressure’ concerning their names. I want to be free to name my babies what I like.

Excellent blog article. Thanks for sharing your frustrations with us, and I will have to steal your comment as well!

ailsa Gray Says:

July 22nd, 2009 at 3:06 pm

Wow! Butterfly! That is very pretty. And imaginative. What are your other children called, Kate?

Did I mention that when my aunt introduced her boyfriend, Francis to my grandmother, Grandma didnt’ like the name and refused to call him by it, calling him David instead (his middle name) for years, even after they were married and had children! Nuts
x

Emily Says:

July 22nd, 2009 at 9:49 pm

Uh-oh…why is Linus the example used as a name with lots of potentially bad nicknames?! I think it’s a great classical name that’s at the top of my list. One of the things I like about it is that I consider it mostly nickname-proof, aside from “Line”, I guess. Should I be worried or was this just an arbitrary choice…?

Danelle Says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 9:59 am

My mother and one of my aunts really disliked my 3rd daughter’s name when we announced it. We named her Sawyer Faith, and my aunt actually asked if we minded if she called her Faith. I told her “Yes, we do mind. Thanks for asking, though!” She named her daughters Lacey and Elissa, which aren’t really all that uncommon, but no one told her they didn’t like her name choice. My mother said she didn’t really like the name Sawyer, but my brother told her to be quiet – she got to name her kids already; he liked the name a lot. Anyway – parents should name their kids what they want to, regardless of what others think.

Laura Says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 12:24 pm

Emily – aha, exactly what I was getting at about different taste and priorities! If you love it, stick to your guns, I say!

I used the name Linus as an example because it’s a name that I like but wouldn’t use based on my personal criteria, including teasing potential. I know that doesn’t even register with a lot of people, but it does with me. It’s not that I reject every name with teasing potential, I just ask myself what’s the worst that could happen and do I love the name more than that? Since you’re asking, there are two quite obvious teasing opportunities that could easily arise during some kind of fifth grade health/anatomy class. But if that’s not even on your radar, then I really wouldn’t worry about it. Go with your gut!

ailsa gray Says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 2:12 pm

I love the name Sawyer Faith! I also love Skyler and all its different spellings. Both seem to be used far more in the US than here in the UK but I think they have a lovely sound.

Renee Says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 3:33 pm

We kept our son’s name a secret until he was born…both to avoid criticism and also just for a fun surprise! We still got negative feedback from some of our family members after his birth (the nerve!!??), but oddly enough, it made me feel like I had indeed come up with the perfect name for my son. If the aged 50-to 60-ish and above crowd don’t like the name, then I’m assured that I’m on the right track of new and trendy!

linda Says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 3:40 pm

Fixed.

ailsa gray Says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 4:41 pm

I am 55 and think I am open and receptive to new trends, Renee! Please don’t judge all over-50s as fuddy-duddies! What did you name your son, incidentally?

pam Says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 6:38 pm

Hi Emily — All I’m seeing is your first name. Cheers, Pam

Bridget Says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 6:49 pm

Sophie Mireille is a beautiful name – don’t let anyone tell you otherwise! (I am relieved that your response to Toby’s name didn’t touch on the Supreme Court or Wimbledon)

I also agree with not sharing baby names before the baby arrives unless you’re open to critique or persuasion. People can’t help but give their reaction, and if you’re happy with the name you picked and not interested in changing it, I wouldn’t invite the discussion.

Kathryn Says:

July 24th, 2009 at 3:03 am

Last names can really influence this as well! My husband’s last name is ‘Smith’, and although I’ve kept my maiden name, he isn’t comfortable with a hyphenate for the baby. Which means, for my taste, I feel like we have to find something REALLY unique for the first name. Almost every name I like already has a famous person who shares it, or there will be hundreds of other kids born this year with it (not to mention identity theft issues, which we’ve already had to deal with). So a lot of the names I’d always imagined for my child simply will not work. And all the names that will work I just know will get tons of bug-eyed reactions and judgements from family. So as much as I’d love to share or get a stamp of approval, I’m trying not to!

Renee Says:

July 28th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

Oh, I’m sorry Ailsa! I certainly didn’t mean to offend all the 50+ crowd. I was speaking specifically of MY family, who is neither trendy nor open. They all have very traditional names (Carol, Mary, Linda, etc.) and just don’t understand why someone would pick anything “non-traditional”. I apologize to anyone I might have offended with my comment! Also, I’m sorry to say, I won’t be sharing my son’s name just yet. Suffice it to say that it’s a modern twist on an ancient name, so definitely not understood by all. :)

melissa Says:

July 30th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

Well, I am glad I found this blog, when I named my daughter no one really liked her name either, but, my hubby and I did and that is all that matters. When we told people her name the response was blank stares. Now, I hear oohs and aahs from people or I get that is so unique and I just say thanks that is her middle name. Jenarosity Unique.

Alexandra Says:

August 4th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

Don’t worry about your mother’s reaction. My mother goes on about my husband’s name, Jeffrey. She thinks it isn’t spelled right and that it should be Geoffrey, which is what she thinks is the proper English spelling. She thinks Jeffrey is the American spelling of it. It really really doesn’t matter because we’re Canadian!! But she still complains about it and gives him cards written out to Geoffrey!! We don’t dwell on it since this is the woman that was thinking about naming me Augusta, Agatha or Allegra.

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